October 17

October 17 Quotes of the day from previous years:


 * 2003
 * Sex is only dirty if it's done right. ~ Woody Allen
 * selected by IP 195.100.67.10


 * 2004
 * Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. ~ "Yoda" in Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
 * selected by Kalki


 * 2005
 * Live as one of them, Kal-El, to discover where your strength and your power are needed. Always hold in your heart the pride of your special heritage. They can be a great people, Kal-El — they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. ~ Marlon Brando as "Jor-El" in Superman: The Movie
 * proposed by Kalki; Superman co-creator Jerry Siegel (born 17 October 1914)


 * 2006
 * Maybe all one can do is hope to end up with the right regrets. ~ Arthur Miller (born 17 October 1915)
 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2007
 * My conception of the audience is of a public each member of which is carrying about with him what he thinks is an anxiety, or a hope, or a preoccupation which is his alone and isolates him from mankind; and in this respect at least the function of a play is to reveal him to himself so that he may touch others by virtue of the revelation of his mutuality with them. If only for this reason I regard the theater as a serious business, one that makes or should make man more human, which is to say, less alone. ~ Arthur Miller
 * proposed by InvisibleSun


 * 2008
 * There's too much of an attempt, it seems to me, to think in terms of controlling man, rather than freeing him. Of defining him rather than letting him go. It's part of the whole ideology of this age, which is power-mad. ~ Arthur Miller
 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2009
 * An era can be said to end when its basic illusions are exhausted. ~ Arthur Miller
 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2010
 * The law of cases of necessity is not likely to be well furnished with precise rules; necessity creates the law, it supersedes rules; and whatever is reasonable and just in such cases, is likewise legal; it is not to be considered as matter of surprise, therefore, if much instituted rule is not to be found on such subjects. ~ William Scott
 * proposed by Zarbon


 * 2011:
 * You will travel far, my little Kal-El. But we will never leave you … even in the face of our deaths … the richness of our lives shall be yours. All that I have, all that I've learned, everything I feel … all this, and more … I bequeath you, my son. You will carry me inside you all the days of your life. You will make my strength your own, and see my life through your own eyes, as your life will be seen through mine. The son becomes the father, and the father the son. This is all I can send you, Kal-El. ~ Marlon Brando ~ as "Jor-El" in Superman: The Movie
 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2012


 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2013


 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2014


 * proposed by DanielTom


 * 2015


 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2016


 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2017


 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2018


 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2019


 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2020


 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2021


 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2022


 * proposed by Kalki


 * 2023


 * proposed by Kalki; in regard of her recent death.


 * 2024 : Rank or add further suggestions…

Quotes by people born this day, already used as QOTD:


 * The apple cannot be stuck back on the Tree of Knowledge; once we begin to see, we are doomed and challenged to seek the strength to see more, not less. ~ Arthur Miller
 * Used 12 February 2005, selected by Kalki

Suggestions
You'll Believe a Man Can Fly! ~ Superman: The Movie tagline (Superman was co-created by Jerry Siegel, born that day)
 * 3 ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 23:43, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1 Zarbon 05:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3 Aphaia 00:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC) It sounds attractive / metaphorical even out of the context.
 * 1 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 3 DanielTom (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * 2 DutchOff (talk) 23:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Superman! Champion of the oppressed. The physical marvel who had sworn to devote his existence to helping those in need. ~ Jerry Siegel (date of birth)
 * 3 Kalki 18:58, 16 October 2005 (UTC) The first introduction of "Superman"
 * 2 InvisibleSun 19:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 1 Zarbon 05:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 Aphaia 00:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC) Too much strongly context-binded imho.
 * 2 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 2 DutchOff (talk) 23:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Your name is Kal-El. You are the only survivor of the planet Krypton. Even though you've been raised as a human, you are not one of them. You have great powers, only some of which you have as yet discovered. ~ Marlon Brando as "Jor-El" in Superman: The Movie
 * 3 Kalki 18:58, 16 October 2005 (UTC) Lines from one of the more famous renditions of the Superman stories.
 * 2 InvisibleSun 19:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 1 Zarbon 05:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 Aphaia 00:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC) same the above.
 * 1 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 1 DanielTom (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

You specialize in something until one day you find it is specializing in you. ~ Arthur Miller
 * 3 InvisibleSun 19:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2 Zarbon 05:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3 Aphaia 00:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC) If sourced, I'd give a 4!
 * 2 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

The land is numb. It stands beneath the feet, and one may come Walking securely, till the sea extends Its limber margin, and precision ends. ~ Yvor Winters
 * 2 Zarbon 04:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 3 Kalki 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 3 InvisibleSun 21:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

All I have is a sword, and a war I cannot win, but I can never stop fighting. ~ Robert Jordan
 * 3 Zarbon 04:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 Kalki 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 InvisibleSun 21:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 3 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 1 DanielTom (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * 2 DutchOff (talk) 23:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

You can either have an hour of hope or an hour of despair. ~ Robert Jordan
 * 2 Zarbon 04:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: What is the benefit to add quotes you cannot highly estimate? Just curious. --Aphaia 00:28, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Response: 2 to me is a high rating. 3 means that the quote is in itself exceptional amongst the rest for the day. And 4 to me is such a rare rating that I limited it to such a few quotes during the entire year in the hopes that they make it. - Zarbon 22:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 InvisibleSun 21:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 3 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 1 DanielTom (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

The Creator made women to please the eyes and trouble the mind. ~ Robert Jordan
 * 2 Zarbon 04:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 Kalki 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 InvisibleSun 21:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 1 DanielTom (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * 1 DutchOff (talk) 23:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Duty is heavier than a mountain, death lighter than a feather. ~ Robert Jordan
 * 4 Zarbon 04:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 Kalki (talk &middot; contributions) 03:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC) 2 Kalki 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC) these words can be taken in various ways, some perhaps edifying, to some extent, if encouraging heroic detachment in worthy efforts, but others simply promoting resignation and despair, or even a very unhealthy longing for some imaginary ease of death rather than the vital tasks of Life.
 * 3 InvisibleSun 21:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 3 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 0 this is misattributed, Jordan did not create this, in the form used it comes from the Japanese rescript to Imperial soldiers, it's original form is several millennia old, and has been used and paraphrased by many others e.g. Huey P. Newton, see the last section of the Robert Jordan page.--KTo288 (talk) 00:01, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

We do not have the right to forget that reactionary imperialism exists and its forces actively operate in the world, that they encourage the arms race and that they try to restore the spirit of the Cold War. ~ Andrei Grechko
 * 2 Zarbon 04:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 Kalki 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 InvisibleSun 21:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 3//Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

For us military men, it is impossible to forget. ~ Andrei Grechko
 * 3 Zarbon 04:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 Kalki 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 InvisibleSun 21:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Could anyone in his right mind speak seriously of any limited nuclear war? It should be quite clear that the aggressor's actions will instantly and inevitably trigger a devastating counterstroke by the other side. None but completely irresponsible people could maintain that a nuclear war may be made to follow rules adopted beforehand, with nuclear missiles exploding in a "gentlemanly manner" over strictly designated targets and sparing the population. ~ Dmitriy Ustinov
 * 2 Zarbon 04:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 Kalki 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 3 InvisibleSun 21:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 3 It is 2022 and there is a notable armed conflict happened. DutchOff (talk) 23:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Remember when Ronnie died and you said you wished it was me, well guess what...I am dead; dead to you as can be. ~ Eminem in "Cleanin' Out My Closet"
 * 3 Zarbon 05:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 Kalki 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1. Lacks context. - InvisibleSun 21:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC) Eminem has better lyrics than this.

And Haley's gettin' so big now, you should see her, she's beautiful. But you'll never see her; she won't even be at your funeral. ~ Eminem in "Cleanin' Out My Closet"
 * 2 Zarbon 05:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 Kalki 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1. Lacks context. - InvisibleSun 21:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 1 DanielTom (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

''The rain of matter upon sense Destroys me momently. The score: There comes what will come.'' ~ Yvor Winters ~
 * 3 Kalki 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 InvisibleSun 21:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 Zarbon 22:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

The Wheel wheels as the Wheel wills. ~ Robert Jordan
 * 3 Kalki 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC) with a lean toward 4.
 * 2 InvisibleSun 21:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 too recurring and repeating, though a bit comical. Zarbon 22:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 1 DanielTom (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * 1 DutchOff (talk) 23:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

By practice and conviction formed, With ancient stubbornness ingrained, Although her body clung and swarmed, My own identity remained. ~ Yvor Winters ~
 * 3 Kalki (talk &middot; contributions) 09:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 2 //Gbern3 (talk) 00:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Dance is not an internal thing. You have to be able to give to somebody else visually watching or they won't care. If they don't leave with some type of emotional feeling—whether it be you cry, or you laugh, or you jump in the air for joy—then it becomes movement and we [dancers] haven't done our job. ~ Napoleon D'umo (birthday)
 * 3 //Gbern3 (talk) 16:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 3 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 15:21, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * 1 DanielTom (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

When you can tell the story of the song through your [dancing], it's brilliant. It comes across as so honest and not fake. ~ Napoleon D'umo
 * 2.5 //Gbern3 (talk) 16:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 2 with a lean toward 3. ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 15:21, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * 1 DanielTom (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Somewhere in the world of dance we started thinking about steps way too much: technique, steps, technique, steps. You can do all the technique you want, the regular public doesn't know. All they know is how you perform and what you tell them and what you make them feel; and when you make somebody feel something, it is undeniable.

OR

Somewhere in the world of dance we started thinking about steps way too much: technique, steps, technique, steps. You can do all the technique you want, the regular public doesn't know. All they know is how you perform and what you tell them and what you make them feel; and when you make somebody feel something, it is undeniable... There's a life to dance that has to happen and it was seen years ago with Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Ginger Rogers, and the life and the feeling they had in a performance. And when you watch them and you see them[,] you start to sway with them and you start to move with them and you miss that sometimes and that's what needs to happen with dance again. ~ Napoleon D'umo
 * 3 //Gbern3 (talk) 16:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 2 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 15:21, 21 July 2013 (UTC) with a lean toward 3 or perhaps eventually a 4.
 * 1 DanielTom (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Today, for the first time since the existence of societies it is a question of organizing a totally new system; of replacing the celestial with the terrestrial, the vague by the positive, and the poetic by the real. ~ Henri de Saint-Simon
 * 3 DanielTom (talk) 02:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * 2 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 02:49, 16 January 2014 (UTC) with a lean toward 3.
 * 2 //Gbern3 (talk) 14:30, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * 3 Ficaia (talk) 03:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

A child is innately wise and realistic. If left to himself without adult suggestion of any kind, he will develop as far as he is capable of developing. ~ A. S. Neill
 * 3 DanielTom (talk) 19:20, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * 1 //Gbern3 (talk) 14:30, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * 2 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 00:28, 17 October 2015 (UTC) I agree with much of the sentiment evoked by the expression, especially the first sentence, but the second is technically incorrect — ALL people influence each other in subtle or overt ways. I can agree that coercion by implicit or explicit threats, commands and arrogant demands and guidance should be minimized, thus I could lean toward a 3 for the evocation of such sentiments, but believe the expression is itself flawed, as involving some absolutist assertions in such ways as are not proper or correct.


 * 3 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 00:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * 3 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 00:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 3 DutchOff (talk) 23:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * 3 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 00:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * 3 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 00:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * 3 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 00:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * 3 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 00:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * 3 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 00:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * 3 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 00:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * 3 ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 00:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Le peuple n’a pas, sans doute, le droit de murmurer; mais, sans doute aussi, il a le droit de se taire; et son silence est la leçon des rois.—"The people, no doubt, has not the right to murmur; but, as certainly also, it has the right to hold its peace, and the people’s silence is a lesson to its king." ~ Jean-Baptiste-Charles-Marie de Beauvais
 * 3 Ficaia (talk) 03:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)