Talk:Atlas Shrugged

Ayn Rand wrote
Ayn Rand wrote lots more than "Atlas Shrugged." I think it would be clearer and more effective to keep the Wiki sites for Rand quotes separate, cross-linking when appropriate.


 * See the main Ayn Rand author page. I take it you agree with the proposal to move the Atlas Shrugged section here. ~ Ningauble 16:43, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to try and go through and organize these quotes by chapter so the page isn't a huge mess. Could get ugly in the meantime. ~ Webmaren 18:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Title quote
I'm rather surprised that the quote that contains "Atlas shrugged" isn't here. Surely if it gave this book its title, it must have been rather significant? Quietbritishjim 17:53, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Books don't make words, authors make them. Literature may be quotable, but only as the authors give them voice. Keep the "Ayn Rand" entry comprehensive and composite. Let the individual works be stubs that reference the main author entry. [User: anonymous] 01:20 22 April 2011 (UTC).
 * You are free to expand the main entry as you see fit. I don't really understand your argument here - it isn't like this article leaves any room for doubt as to who wrote the book. The whole idea of creating separate articles for books is so that you don't have a multi-megabyte article for the author which others would be tempted to prune. ~ S0CO  ( talk 03:39, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Miss placed quote
"People think that a liar gains a victory over his victim. What I've learned is that a lie is an act of self-abdication, because one surrenders one's reality to the person to whom one lies, making that person one's master, condemning oneself from then on to faking the sort of reality that person's view requires to be faked. And if one gains the immediate purpose of the lie - the price one pays is the destruction of what the gain was intended to serve. The man who lies to the world is the world's slave from then on."
 * Hank Rearden

This quote is from Part 3, chapter 3: Anti-greed

Too many quotes?
Looks like this page has too many quotes? Shouldn't there be a limit to make it more succinct and not copy too much text from the book here on Wikiquote? -- Cirt (talk) 19:38, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The article is a little lengthy for my taste but, bearing in mind the length of the book, it does not appear to exceed the limits on quotations. The quality of the article might benefit from a small amount of trimming for quotability but this should be done judiciously because, due to the fame and influence of the work, some lines that might appear to be rather unremarkable without context are actually quite widely quoted. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:47, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to add my own thoughts about the length of this article; yes, it's a tad lengthy. Still, one should bear in mind that Rand is one of the most widely quoted authors around. When I first began working on this page, I restricted myself to the quotes that were already here, and worked primarily to improve the format. I have since added a few more quotes : every one is found on other websites, such as www.goodreads.com, www.brainyquote.com , and others. As Ayn Rand herself once observed, "If it's worth doing, it's worth over-doing." CononOfSamos (talk) 04:44, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * By the way, the length of the quotes contributes to the impression of lengthiness : by my rough count, there are currently about 100 quotes in this article. CononOfSamos (talk) 04:56, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Closer of merge proposal

 * In the context of the merge proposal, I have first wondered whether or not this article exceed the limits on quotations:
 * These limits state: A recommended maximum of five lines of prose or eight lines of poetry for every ten pages of a book not in the public domain
 * So with a book of 1200 pages about 600 lines may be quotes
 * From my count the current article consists about 300 to 400 lines (based on the original source)
 * With about 36 lines a page, this is about 8 to 11 pages of the original.
 * But there is more:
 * The current "No Atlas Shrugged (1957)" section offers another 150 to 200 lines"
 * This brings a total of 450 to 600 lines, which goes to the limit.


 * Now I will close the 2011 merge proposal by redirecting the Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged (1957) - section here, without merging any of the content for the following consideration:
 * There shouldn't be two longer sections about this book
 * The limits on quotations should not be taken to the limit
 * Even with the extra length of the book, I agree that the current would benefit from a small amount of trimming
 * -- Mdd (talk) 11:48, 22 May 2014 (UTC)