Talk:COVID-19 vaccine

The intro needs to be updated
COVID-19 vaccines are no longer hypothetic. There are several vaccines available, and some have been approved for use for the general public, in some countries. Is it time to change the intro? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 18:12, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are correct - and I've updated the intro with the latest revision of the associated WP intro. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:41, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Gallery of images?
Does anyone here know how to create a gallery of images? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:54, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I see an example of a wiki-gallery at SheSaid Ottawahitech (talk) 21:26, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Section heading removed
I have removed ==== Pfizer vaccine ==== because there are now several vaccines available and it is not clear which quotes refer only to Pfizer. Comments? Ottawahitech (talk) 21:27, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

From Cambodia to Canada, dozens of other nations are now beating US in COVID-19 vaccinations
USAtoday published this excellent article just recently. Problem is, as usual, it's paywalled. I try to avoid using paywalled sources, so that our readers are not left in the dark.

Has anyone seen a non-paywalled version of this article. Many times you can find the original story on Reuters, Associated press, or some unknown little wannabe. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 23:19, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

More on Original Antigenic Sin and the Folly of Our Universal Vaccination Campaign
[https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/more-on-original-antigenic-sin-and We have now had ten months of mass vaccination against SARS-CoV-2. Nearly 7 billion doses have been administered worldwide. This unprecedented campaign has not eradicated Corona; it has not even suppressed infections. Instead, case statistics have ballooned almost everywhere. While the vaccinated appear to enjoy some protection against severe outcomes, skyrocketing transmission means most countries have seen little benefit, on balance, from their universal vaccination campaigns.] Good quote. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:5CEB:194E:591E:9065 00:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Quotes are not evaluated for inclusion on Wikiquote based on their being a subjectively "good" quote; the quote itself must be notable. This is generally indicated by the fact that the person quoted is highly notable (e.g., sufficient to have a Wikipedia article), and that the quote has itself been quoted in reliable sources. BD2412 T 01:10, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The quote above is factually incorrect: Case statistics have not balooned everywhere, they are actually trending down worldwide, for the last few weeks. Ottawahitech (talk) 06:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Deaths among male Children are 83% higher than the 5-year-average since they were given the Covid-19 Vaccine
[https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/27/deaths-among-male-children-increased-by-89-percent-since-given-covid-19-vaccine/ An investigation of official ONS data has revealed that since the Covid-19 vaccine was offered and administered to kids in England and Wales there has been a 89% rise in deaths among male children against the five-year-average, with the most recent week seeing an increase as high as 200%. The UK’s Medicine and Healthcare product Regulatory Agency (MHRA) have openly admitted that they suspect myocarditis and pericarditis are potential side effects of the Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines, especially among young males. A suspicion that has been strong enough for the UK Medicine Regulator to officially add warnings about myocarditis and pericarditis to the safety labels of the Covid-19 vaccines.] Notable. --1.159.95.160 23:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

== FACT SHEET FOR HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS ADMINISTERING VACCINE (VACCINATION PROVIDERS) EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION (EUA) OF THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE TO PREVENT CORONAVIRUS  DISEASE 2019 (COVID-19) ==

[https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download Myocarditis and pericarditis have been reported following administration of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine outside of clinical trials. Additional adverse reactions, some of which may be serious, may become apparent with more widespread use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.] Page 10 from the FDA ''FACT SHEET FOR HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS ADMINISTERING VACCINE (VACCINATION PROVIDERS) EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION (EUA) OF THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE TO PREVENT CORONAVIRUS DISEASE 2019 (COVID-19). --1.159.95.160 23:36, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

There Are No Arguments on the Other Side
[https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/there-are-no-arguments-on-the-other The truth is that the vaccinators don’t have coherent arguments anymore; they just have power. You can tell this from the lazy and extremely stupid things that they say in the press all the time: This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, they explain, so we have to vaccinate everyone to reduce spread, but breakthrough infections don’t matter, since the primary purpose of vaccination is to limit severe disease, which is why we have to vaccinate children, who are not at risk of severe disease, in order to reduce spread.] Eugyppius substack. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:EC5F:20EB:6090:E0C2 21:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

People inoculated against Covid-19 are just as likely to spread the delta variant of the virus to contacts in their household as those who haven’t had shots, according to new research.
People inoculated against Covid-19 are just as likely to spread the delta variant of the virus to contacts in their household as those who haven’t had shots, according to new research. Bloomberg. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:1570:36B2:F7A3:D134 21:06, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Highest Covid Numbers in Hospital since March despite 91%+ Jabbed

 * Ireland now has the highest number of patients in hospital with Covid-19 since March, despite over 91% of the population over-12 being vaccinated – the highest jab rate in the EU.
 * Highest Covid Numbers in Hospital since March despite 91%+ Jabbed, Ript, 27 October 2021

Myocarditis after BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccine against Covid-19 in Israel
The incidence of myocarditis, although low, increased after the receipt of the BNT162b2 vaccine, particularly after the second dose among young male recipients. The New England Journal of Medicine. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:5D09:D65D:8FF:92B3 06:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Despite being the most vaccinated state in the country, Vermont is experiencing a COVID spike
[https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2420108587435/despite-being-the-most-vaccinated-state-in-the-country-vermont-is-experiencing-a-covid-spike Throughout the pandemic, Vermont has been hailed for its success in keeping case counts low and vaccination rates high. Though positive cases dropped to almost nothing in early July, the numbers have been climbing since then — recently exceeding 200 new cases per day — and hospitalizations spiked in September.] --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:ED51:8232:FC0A:83C7 01:06, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Japan drops vax rollout, goes to Ivermectin, ENDS COVID almost overnight
[https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/japan-drops-vax-rollout-goes-to-ivermectin-ends-covid-almost-overnight The absolute superstar among foreign nations dealing with COVID is Japan. Japan has PULLED the vaccines and substituted Ivermectin - and in one month, wiped COVID out in that country!] Hal Turner Radio Show.

Florian Dagoury, Freediver, cumulates myocarditis, pericarditis and trivial mitral regurgitation after his second Pfizer dose
[https://new.in-24.com/health/299041.html Florian Dagoury, currently the world’s top static freediver, was diagnosed with myocarditis and pericarditis 40 days after his second dose of Pfizer’s vaccine. Renowned for having officially held his breath for 10 minutes and 30 seconds, the elite freediver, of French origin and established in Thailand, noticed a significant decrease in his ability to hold his breath and consulted a cardiologist who told him about it. said it was a common side effect of the Pfizer vaccine.] New-in-24. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:E415:B0E7:16A7:A6B 06:21, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Gov. Newsom Injured by Moderna Booster Shot, Source Tells The Defender
[https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/gov-gavin-newsom-moderna-booster-vaccine/ A source close to California Gov. Gavin Newsom today told The Defender the governor experienced an adverse reaction to the Moderna COVID vaccine he received Oct. 27. The source, who asked not to be identified, said Newsom’s symptoms were similar to those associated with Guillain–Barré syndrome (GBS), a known side effect of many vaccines. GBS is a neurological disorder in which the body’s immune system mistakenly attacks part of its peripheral nervous system — the network of nerves located outside of the brain and spinal cord — and can range from a very mild case with brief weakness to paralysis to leaving the person unable to breathe independently. The governor has not been seen in public since he was photographed Oct. 27 getting his COVID booster.] The Defender. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:3557:D186:365A:7C9F 05:51, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Biden’s vaccine order is about power, not health
[https://spectatorworld.com/topic/bidens-vaccine-mandate-about-power-not-health/ Vax mandates are an unhealthy thing for our democracy and represent a willful effort by government to exert additional control over an already cowed population. There is a direct line between the Patriot Act, mass surveillance, and vax mandates that claims “it is all for our own good” when it is more broadly for our own bad. This is about politics, not medicine.]. Spectator. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:6048:5F75:8FBE:E8A 07:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

The Snake-Oil Salesmen and the COVID-Zero Con: A Classic Bait-And-Switch for a Lifetime of Booster Shots (Immunity as a Service)
[https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html One of the most common reasons given for mass COVID vaccinations is the idea that if we reach herd immunity through vaccination, we can starve the virus out of existence and get our lives back. It's the COVID-Zero strategy or some variant of it. By now it is abundantly clear from the epidemiological data that the vaccinated are able to both catch and spread the disease. Clearly vaccination isn't going to make this virus disappear. Only a mind that has lost its grasp on reality can fail to see how ridiculous all this has become. But a tour through pre-COVID science demonstrates that, from day one, long before you and I had even heard of this virus, it was 100% inevitable and 100% predictable that these vaccines would never be capable of eradicating this coronavirus and would never lead to any kind of lasting herd immunity. Even worse, lockdowns and mass vaccination have created a dangerous set of circumstances that interferes with our immune system's ability to protect us against other respiratory viruses. They also risk driving the evolution of this virus towards mutations that are more dangerous to both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated alike. Lockdowns, mass vaccinations, and mass booster shots were never capable of delivering on any of the promises that were made to the public.] --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:6048:5F75:8FBE:E8A 07:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

29-Year-Old Mountain Bike National Title Winner Kyle Warner Diagnosed with Pericarditis After Taking Pfizer Vaccine – Career Ruined
[https://survivalmagazine.org/news/29-year-old-mountain-bike-national-title-winner-kyle-warner-diagnosed-with-pericarditis-after-taking-pfizer-vaccine-career-ruined-video/ Kyle Warner, a 29-year-old mountain bike race champion, was diagnosed with pericarditis, POTS, and reactive arthritis a month after he took the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. The vaccine has ruined his career and he is still ill and hasn’t been able to work or ride a bike.] --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:CD42:ED9:B4BF:801C 08:14, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Cardiologist Medical Doctor who Wanted to Punch Anti-Vaxxers in the Face DEAD After COVID Booster Shot
Sohrab Lutchmedial: 52-year-old Canadian cardiologist tells the non-vaxxed “I won’t cry at your funeral,” dead two weeks after third (booster) mRNA injection. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:C424:9B49:B943:615D 21:35, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Taiwan halts 2nd-dose BioNTech vaccinations for ages 12-17 amid concerns of myocarditis
[https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4340862 Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) head Chen Shih-chung (陳時中) said on Wednesday (Nov. 10) that a panel of experts has decided to suspend administering second doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech (BNT) COVID vaccine to children 12-17 years old amid concerns it may increase the risk of myocarditis. Cases of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the outer lining of the heart) have been reported after BNT vaccination of children between 12 and 17 years of age. According to U.S. statistics, the risk of youths experiencing myocarditis after receiving the second BNT dose is 10 times higher than after the first dose, CNA reported.] Taiwan News. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:80:43D0:F508:A672 04:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Loudon County Pharmacy Accidentally Vaxxed 112 Kids With Adult COVID Dose
[https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/virginia-pharmacy-accidentally-vaxxes-kids-adult-covid-vaccine More than 100 children in Loudoun County, Virginia, were given the wrong COVID-19 vaccine dosage. Parents of the children are furious about potential health complications. Ted Pharmacy incorrectly administered Pfizer and BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine to 112 children between Nov. 3-4. The children, aged 5-11, were given doses meant for people over 12.] --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:C04:5C4E:101D:1293 08:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

The vaccines are the vector
[https://voxday.net/2021/11/15/the-vaccines-are-the-vector/ Natural herd immunity should have been reached by now. Instead, it is the vaccinated whose short-term protection has worn off that are now vulnerable to the virus.] Theodore Beale. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:2815:7106:CEBA:6EFF 18:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 10/29/2021
VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 10/29/2021 --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:3412:C38D:EEB0:3DD0 20:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Over 10,000 Australians want compensation for COVID-19 vaccine side effects
[https://www.breezyscroll.com/coronavirus/over-10000-australians-want-compensation-for-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/ Australia’s government could face a hefty bill of more than A$50 million ($37million). It is related to the COVID-19 vaccine program. Thousands of people have filed for compensation for health issues due to COVID-19 vaccine side effects.] --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:19F7:FCC4:D0E8:2550 04:09, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Vaccine Efficacy Statistics as Information Hazard
[https://dailysceptic.org/2021/11/17/vaccine-efficacy-statistics-as-information-hazard/ Despite all of this vaccination, German mortality is more or less identical to that seen last year. On November 16th 2020, we had around two deaths per million, and right on schedule we are back at two deaths per million now.] --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:915C:6395:7F0C:F236 03:03, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age
[https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60 Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal. I don’t know how to explain this other than vaccine-caused mortality.]

Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination. Circulation. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:AC98:582B:2F99:B5D9 20:28, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

BD2412, could you explain why these quotes are not notable according to you?
--2001:8003:DDB1:C600:4C81:BCB0:12E8:B9FE 06:09, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The notability of a quote is generally derived from some combination of the degree of notability of the speaker and the degree to which the quote is actually quoted by other reliable sources beyond its initial publication. I am not seeing any indication of either of these with any of these quotes. They appear to be a grab-bag of random sources, from non-notable speakers, not eliciting further quotation at all. BD2412 T 06:41, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
 * Taiwan halts 2nd-dose BioNTech vaccinations for ages 12-17 amid concerns of myocarditis
 * Comirnaty and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine
 * How are these not notable according to you? The first is from an academic journal, the second from taiwan news, and the third from the FDA itself. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:8C31:266E:E684:F674 08:07, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * There are thousands of academic journals published every month and hundreds of thousands of newspaper articles. Obviously, we don't report as a quote everything that happens to appear in a newspaper or a journal or a government website. The more pertinent question is who is the person who is being quoted? Are they a famous or highly noted figure? Is their statement actually being quoted somewhere? For example, from the page:


 * I would recommend it, and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly. But again, we have our freedoms and we have to live by that and I agree with that also. But it is a great vaccine. It is a safe vaccine and it is something that works.
 * Donald Trump, in


 * Clearly, Donald Trump is one of the most notable people in the world. Furthermore, he is not a writer for Politico, but was quoted by the publication (and numerous others that are easily found) when he made this statement. BD2412 T 18:30, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I did not ask about thousands of academic journals or media articles, I asked about the three listed above.
 * "We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination." That the injections can cause side effects from, as stated from AHA Journals.
 * "Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) head Chen Shih-chung (陳時中) said on Wednesday (Nov. 10) that a panel of experts has decided to suspend administering second doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech (BNT) COVID vaccine to children 12-17 years old amid concerns it may increase the risk of myocarditis. Cases of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the outer lining of the heart) have been reported after BNT vaccination of children between 12 and 17 years of age. According to U.S. statistics, the risk of youths experiencing myocarditis after receiving the second BNT dose is 10 times higher than after the first dose, CNA reported." An increased risk of permanent heart damage, as stated from Taiwan news.
 * "Myocarditis and pericarditis have been reported following administration of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine outside of clinical trials. Additional adverse reactions, some of which may be serious, may become apparent with more widespread use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine." The FDA itself warning of side effects.
 * It is notable that there have been serious side effects reported on by the FDA, academic journals and the media. Earlier articles about the MRNA's spoke about them as perfectly safe and useful. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:B900:85B1:B573:96B1 20:58, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You are making arguments about the Wikipedia definition of notability for inclusion in a Wikipedia article. Wikiquote is not Wikipedia. Wikiquote is not an encyclopedia, it is a collection of notable quotes. What makes a quote notable is the identity of the author and the degree to which it has actually been quoted in sources beyond its original publication. If your argument is that these are notable facts about the subject, the place to seek their inclusion is Wikipedia, not Wikiquote. BD2412 T 05:14, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Take this quote on the wiki quote page: Danny Altmann, a professor of immunology at Imperial College London, said that as the first winter with the delta variant approaches, he was "not sure if people in Eastern Europe appreciate how punishing the pandemic continues to be in the time of delta." "It’s unremitting," he said. With some Eastern European countries "at the extreme end of vaccine hesitancy," he added, "there’s no possibility of dealing with this pandemic under these conditions."
 * Can you explain to me how this quote is notable and deserving of inclusion while the three I listed above are not? --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:2039:B9F6:7846:82B5 06:11, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know that it necessarily is, but is at least a notable immunologist with a Wikipedia page, and is being quoted in this article by it's author, rather than merely being the author of the article. Who are the authors of the quotes proposed to be added? BD2412  T 06:36, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


 * This is by Steven Gundry - of the The International Heart and Lung Institute, Palm Springs, CA (more papers here), [this https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4340862] is by George Liao, and this is by the FDA - no names listed. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:8DFC:CCCC:509D:6520 00:06, 28 November 2021 (UTC)


 * And Danny is hardly the most notable person, considering how minimal his wikipage is. Robert Malone - the pioneer of MRNA technology - is much more notable, and he has been highly critical of measures taken. --2001:8003:DDB1:C600:8DFC:CCCC:509D:6520 00:06, 28 November 2021 (UTC)