Talk:Clement Attlee

Nationalist loyalty
Attlee's quote was changed from "any idea" to "every idea". I have seen two originals which quote it as "any idea" so I have changed the quote back to "any" and given it in full as given in the Talus book, which is available on Google books, as well as at http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000692622/Home (which is searchable by text). "We have absolutely abandoned any idea of nationalist loyalty. We are deliberately putting a world order before our loyalty to our own country." 114.77.104.114 19:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Talus, Your Alternative Government (London: Eyre and Spottiswoode, 1945), p. 17.

Jonathan Bowden attributed
According to Jonathan Bowden, Attlee said something like "If the races of the world are mixed together, there will be no more war." This was supposed in the run-up to the Nationality Act 1948, and is supposedly recorded in Hansard. Did Attlee really say this or anything like it? Cagliost (talk) 06:57, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Gandhi quote
The following quote was deleted


 * Toward the end of our discussion I asked Attlee what was the extent of Gandhi's influence upon the British decision to quit India. Hearing this question, Attlee's lips became twisted in a sarcastic smile as he slowly chewed out the word, m-i-n-i-m-a-l!
 * Phani Bhusan Chakravartti, the first Indian cum Bengali permanent Chief Justice of the Calcutta High Court and governor of West Bengal, 1956. Conversation between Phani Bhusan Chakravartti and Clement Attlee, as reported in a letter by Phani Bhusan Chakravartti to a publisher, reproduced in the autobiography of historian R.C. Majumdar. Quoted in India Today in review of Bose: An Indian Samurai by book General GD Bakshi EXCLUSIVE: Attlee told Bengal governor, Netaji, not Gandhi, got India freedom, claims book, 2016 and quoted in Nagaland: A Journey to India's Forgotten Frontier - Page 159 Jonathan Glancey · 2011.
 * This quote has been disputed, see 'Flawed' argument: Gandhi had minimal role, naval mutinies alone led to Independence The fact-check article doubts if Phani Bhusan Chakravartti's claims about his conversation with Attlee are correct.

with the claim unreliable. With respect, it is just what Phani Bhusan Chakravartti reported from his conversation with Attlee. You may not like his opinion, but its just one man's opinion, it is attributed and it is not offtopic. But it can be moved to the attributed section. ᘙ (talk) 22:04, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * ᘙ It appears to have been created out of thin air. Read this. Don't include it unless this is a popular misunderstanding. Editorkamran (talk) 05:44, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


 * thank you for this link. the link does not prove that the quote is incorrect, only that there is a controversy about it and should be given with a disclaimer. The correct thing to do is then to move the quote to the disputed quotes section. The quote seems notable enough to be reported and is also a poignant quote. I have included your link to the quote, please feel free to add some additional comment in the article about the quote. --ᘙ (talk) 13:58, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * ᘙ Find a official British source which has this quote. This quote was created out of thin air and that is very clear. There is absolutely no need to give any credence to a fake quote. Editorkamran (talk) 11:35, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Ok then, here is a source, not from some Indians, but from an "official British source" which has this quote.

From your wikipedia block due to edit-warring in the G.D. Bakshi article it seems you have a bias against G.D. Bakshi, but including this quote in the disputed section is not even favorable to G.D. Bakshi (and which should not matter).

Your counterview article says that this statement is "widely circulated". This is all that is needed to report the quote in the disputed section. If a quote is "widely circulated" we report the quote, and if the statement is disputed, we report it in the disputed section.

Here are some more sources where the statement is quoted:
 * Nagaland: A Journey to India's Forgotten Frontier - Page 159 Jonathan Glancey · 2011
 * Struggle for India's Freedom: Defeat of Netaji’s Dream - Page 24, Sagar Simlandy & Swapan Kumar Sarkar
 * Armed Struggle: The Alternative History Of Indian Freedom ... - Page 239 Aman Choudhary
 * Anuj Dhar
 * Rahul Kanwal in India Today  --ᘙ (talk) 09:47, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Bose: An Indian Samurai by book General GD Bakshi

if you some time, perhaps you can give a second opinion, about Editorkamran's slow edit-warring and repeated removal of this quote:


 * Toward the end of our discussion I asked Attlee what was the extent of Gandhi's influence upon the British decision to quit India. Hearing this question, Attlee's lips became twisted in a sarcastic smile as he slowly chewed out the word, m-i-n-i-m-a-l!
 * Phani Bhusan Chakravartti, the first Indian cum Bengali permanent Chief Justice of the Calcutta High Court and governor of West Bengal, 1956. Conversation between Phani Bhusan Chakravartti and Clement Attlee, as reported in a letter by Phani Bhusan Chakravartti to a publisher, reproduced in the autobiography of historian R.C. Majumdar. Quoted in India Today in review of Bose: An Indian Samurai by book General GD Bakshi EXCLUSIVE: Attlee told Bengal governor, Netaji, not Gandhi, got India freedom, claims book, 2016 and quoted in Nagaland: A Journey to India's Forgotten Frontier - Page 159 Jonathan Glancey · 2011.
 * This quote has been disputed, see 'Flawed' argument: Gandhi had minimal role, naval mutinies alone led to Independence The fact-check article doubts if Phani Bhusan Chakravartti's claims about his conversation with Attlee are correct.

even though the quote is properly placed in the disputed section. The reason we have disputed sections on wikiquote is exactly for this type of cases. Thank you.--ᘙ (talk) 10:08, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

I also repeat that the counterview fact check does not prove that the quote is incorrect, only that there is a controversy about it and that there are reasons for doubt and hence should be put in the disputed section. And your counterview article confirms that the quote is "widely circulated". --ᘙ (talk) 10:18, 18 April 2023 (UTC)