Talk:Freedom of speech


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Freedom of speech
I invite all those interested to help me expand the page Freedom of speech. I've recently cleaned it up and re-ordered the quotes in chronological order. :) It's an extremely important topic to have a resource on for reference here on the Internet. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 21:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Reasons for using chronological order
Reasons for using chronological order: Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 01:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Show evolution of theory and practice over time.
 * 2) Helps to show how past attitudes and writings impacted later viewpoints.
 * 3) Illustrates how has influenced subsequent judicial decisions.
 * 4) Shows changing approaches to increasing ease of technology.
 * 5) Displays growing tolerance towards broader application of standards over time.
 * 6) 1700s sub-section = directly shows how wording for First Amendment was drawn from earlier writings on same topic. This would not be shown without chronological order.
 * 7) 2000s sub-section = shows how views have evolved towards the Internet as a medium to express.
 * 8) Even a dissenting opinion of a particular legal case may have significant later impact on future opinions.
 * 9) Individual authors can still easily be found using CTRL-F search function.
 * 10) Specific authors' quotes can also be found using separate author-pages on Wikiquote.

Image use with quotes as promotion
I've trimmed overusage of images diff as promotion related to Robert G. Ingersoll.

The quotes themselves are fine additions, but the image usage in this fashion violates WQ:NPOV.

Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 18:40, 8 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for notifying me that the image additions violated WQ:NPOV. --P3Y229 (talk) 06:39, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Removed arbitrary bolding, violates WQ:NPOV
I've removed diff some arbitrary bolding, it violates WQ:NPOV.

It seems almost all the bolding was used virtually exclusively to promote Robert G. Ingersoll. -- Cirt (talk) 18:44, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with this assessment, and with the removal of this bolding. BD2412 T 19:40, 8 August 2013 (UTC)


 * @Cirt The bolding was not arbitrary nor was it used virtually exclusively to promote Ingersoll. I simple copied the Ingersoll quotes in its bold format from the Ingersoll quote page to this page. I didn't know that the bolding violates WQ:NPOV. But thank you very much for removing the bolding in order to keep a NPOV. --P3Y229 (talk) 22:42, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, for your analysis of my assessment, I really appreciate that. Thank you, , for agreeing to not use the POV bolding formatting on this page, much appreciated! -- Cirt (talk) 00:17, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

This page is now overloaded with promotion of Robert G. Ingersoll
This page is now overloaded with promotion of Robert G. Ingersoll.

There are a total of fourteen (14) usages of this individual, more than any other single author on this quote page.

That is way too much.

Some of those entries aren't even directly related to the generalized topic of freedom of speech, and are more suited for other pages, such as liberty.

These should be trimmed down from this page.

At this point it just seems like overusage and basically spamming the page with Ingersoll ad infinitum. -- Cirt (talk) 00:16, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed - I've trimmed half of the quotes from Ingersoll on the page (I tried to cull the ones with the weakest direct relationship to the page's subject). ~ UDScott (talk) 00:33, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I also agree, but can we please assume good faith and not make claims of "spamming"? Cheers! BD2412 T 01:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


 * @(talk): I'm sorry if my Ingersoll quote additions amounted to "overusage", but the additions weren't meant to spam the page with Ingersoll quotes ad infinitum. Ingersoll was a promoter of freethought which holds that ideas and opinions should not restricted by authority, tradition, or religion. In other words he was a promoter and defender of freedom of speech. That's why I added the Ingersoll quotes. If there were too much quotes, then I'm sorry. I just wanted to add quotes which emphasized the importance of freedom of speech. @UDScott: Thanks for trimming down the quotes in order to keep page balanced. --P3Y229 (talk) 06:37, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * @, agreed, it's not exactly spamming per se, but definitely overusage that borders on promotion. @, thanks for trimming them down, much appreciated! -- Cirt (talk) 19:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Update: There are still at present fourteen (14) mentions of "Ingersoll" on this quote page. Let's please trim this down to no more than five (5). We don't want this page to become The Robert G. Ingersoll Show. -- Cirt (talk) 19:55, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. I removed some Ingersoll quotes so that there are currently only 5 Ingersoll quotes. --P3Y229 (talk) 22:20, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Are all of those quotes at Robert Ingersoll? BD2412 T 22:52, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. I copied them all from the Ingersoll quote page to the freedom of speech page. --P3Y229 (talk) 11:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, five (5) quotes is much better! -- Cirt (talk) 16:42, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Bolding quotes
Let's please avoid bolding quotes.

By picking and choosing which quotes to bold, we are emphasizing certain quotes over others, which violates NPOV.

Thank you,

-- Cirt (talk) 18:33, 16 March 2014 (UTC)