Talk:Juvenal

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
This quote is listed as "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" in Wikipedia but as "Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" here. (I believe the word "sed" translates as "but," i.e., "But who shall guard the guards?" Which is correct? Or did Juvenal use both versions? Wakedream 17:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The original is "Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes", but as a quote just "quis custodiet ipsos custodes" is fine. You may also hear "But quis custodiet ipsos custodes?", which is exactly the same thing. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:38, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Probitas laudatur et alget;
Changed previous translation of 'honesty is praised and starves' to 'and is left out in the cold.' The verb algeo has no connotation of starving, and instead refers to being cold, etc. -Latin nerd from Stockton --134.210.98.217 02:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I placed the suggested translation as a variant, and restored the older version, which has been published as a standard translation for the phrase since at least the 1830s. ~ Silver Surfer 03:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)