Talk:Mitt Romney

To Do List

 * 1) Each of the refrences to a press release, could be made into a link for that press release... I have put a lot of them on this site: http://myclob.pbwiki.com/ but have not taken the time to make them active links from this wiki quote page...


 * 1) Make all the non specific press release links, go directly to the exact press release (I started to to this at the begining).
 * 2) Move all the non-sourced quotes to "attributed". Find the sources for these quotes, and move them back to the sourced.
 * 3) Move all the Topics, under their letter, within the new "sourced" heading, to conform to the template.
 * 4) Get red of all the "Romney said" or "he said" within the quotes.User:Myclob

Questions

 * 1) Should we put - "Mitt Romney", or "Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney" after each quote? Or do people on this page know who the quote is from?
 * 2) Should we put "quotes" around each quote?
 * 3) Should we italizize each quote?
 * 4) There are a lot of quotes, which I think is good. I think for any presidential candidate you should be able to go and find their position on every topic. But should we try and put promote the best quotes, or the ones from what most people would consider to be more important topics?
 * 5) I've mainley taken quotes from his press releases. Is there anyone out there can can generate quotes from other sources, such as his book, or speaches? -  User:Myclob


 * Answering these questions in order of appearance: 1) No. 2) No. 3) No. 4) Don't arrange quotes according to which ones you think the best or most important. That should be for readers to decide on their own. 5) The first place to try would be online.  It's not uncommon for speeches, interviews, profiles, debates and news articles to be found on the Web.  I found quite a bit of material online while I was recently hunting sources for unsourced quotes on a political figure's Wikiquote page.  You can even find the Congressional Record online, although it wouldn't be useful in this case for a governor. As for books, these wouldn't be likely to be online for obvious copyright reasons, although Google Book Search could help you with quote-hunting. P.S.  Please sign your posts.  - InvisibleSun 15:30, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * "re #4" It is ridiculous to say that we should not put quotes in order of importance. The fact that they get put on this page at is is because someone thinks that some quote is more important than other quotes... If we "just let the user decide which are the best quotes" then we should just put everything that someone says on this page, including, "I would like to buy a hamburger, with a large order of fries". Of course their should be some effort to put some of the more memorable, impactful, news-worthy quotes at the top of a page, or list. 99.142.65.241 20:12, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Why did he delete my quotes?
re: Please stop adding quotes to pages without ensuring that the quote is adequately about the subject of the page. I have gone through and removed a number of quotes and pages which were created without any real connection between the quote and the subject; simply because a quote may mention a certain person or thing does not necessarily mean that the quote is about that person or thing. Furthermore, when adding quotes, please make sure that the quote is about the larger subject, not simply a particular initiative or bill confined to the state of Massachusetts. Wikiquote is not a place for trying to create a legacy for an outgoing governor. —LrdChaos (talk) 14:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you realize how few topics there are in "Wikiquote"?

For instance, there are no quotes about, "America".

Do you really want to be considered relevant as an archive of quotes, when there are no quotes about America? I think you should be less conserned about removing quotes that you don't think are relevant (from an outgoing governor) than wiki-quotes becoming irrelevant.

Besides, Mitt Romney is not just an outgoing governor. He is a possible president in 2008. Some would say that the internet's most important job is to help people figure out who should be the next president of the united states. Why would you remove Mitt Romney's quotes about America? Wouldn't you want to know what an individual has to say about American, when the have the possiblitity of leading it? That makes me kind of mad that you removed it. Instead of removing it, why don't you help me? Why don't you help me find quotes from all the other possible presidentail candidates, and see what they have to say about these subjects?

Why just remove all of my additions? Why not wait a little bit, and try and discuss it? That is what the discussion page is for?


 * that was wrong, but it Is possible but not very probable that he did delete his quotes. Hes seem be too occupied with VP mate, to considEr > Donald ducke Anglosaxon (talk) 02:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I think wiki quotes can become one of the biggest helps for democracy
What do you think?

Article needs a diet, desparately.
An article about a little-known soon-to-be-former governor should not be the eleventh-largest page on Wikiquote. Wikiquote is not a dumping-ground for old press releases. Even far more notable people, like George W. Bush and Arnold Schwarzenegger, have much shorter pages. 121a0012 18:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I've taken the liberty of putting the article on a crash diet, removing any quote which was bland, insignificant and unsurprising. The result is at Mitt Romney/temp. There are four unsourced quotes there. I suggest that this takes the place of the main article, unless there are major objections. Of course if there are other quotes which really should be included, feel free to do so. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 19:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I would say, "Go for it". 121a0012 01:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, done it. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 18:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It sounds weird to say that information should be removed... Isn't more information more? Does it cost Wikipedia more to house a larger list of quotes? Do you know I could put every bit of text from all of wikipedia on a thumb drive? Not including images, but just pure text... Removing content just because other pages are smaller seems weird... Shouldn't wikiquote be just as long as "project vote smart" or those other compilation websites that try to be comprehensive of all the things someone has said about a subject?" 99.142.65.241 00:21, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Who is/is not notable is individual editor's POV.
In a living, breathing entity like this, should not then timeliness to some degree determine appropriateness as far as inclusion of quotes is concerned? Sure, I'm new to wiki & so have experimented by adding a current, Romney (who it might be noted just won the important straw poll at an annual gathering of Conservative activists yesterday) religious quote; yet, wouldn't removing quote subtract from the knowledge avialable to readers' researching presidential candidates? In otherwords, how can editors' in-/ exclusion of quotes not be driven somewhat by such subjective POV as to relative notability and so forth? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Justmeherenow (talk • contribs) 05:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's exactly the opposite. We don't collect timely quotes; we collect timeless quotes; i.e., ones that should stand the test of time. Wikiquote is not inherently a forum to collect information about political candidates and their positions. Quotes that are likely to be remembered for a long time are worth adding, but quotes that merely state what's going on currently with the subject are not ideal, so one shouldn't be surprised if someone else removes them for lack of staying power. We've had problems in the past with this particular subject, as at least one editor has tried to use Wikiquote to promote Romney's campaign positions in the guise of notable quotes. Please consider the "test of time" argument when adding quotes here. Thank you. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Graci. (I'm a "Naom Chomsky" guy but...) I see my fave candidate from Illinois's wikiquote page is 7 times that of Mitt's - How exactly do editors shed any particular candidate's dross from her oratorical gold!

--Justmeherenow 08:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, this is a wiki, so the idea is that, given enough attention by the community, all articles will eventually be made into well-crafted pieces. Unfortunately, Wikiquote is still too small and casual a community, so we have a lot of uneven results. If you want to bring attention to an article, you should probably name it specifically. After all, many Wikiquotians are not familiar with Illinois politics. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

(Chomsky is the celebrated political thinker of the Left. And my "candidate from Illinois" is Senator Obama.) But: Re an editor's curt answer (above) to an anonymous colleague's(?sp) question as to why the mass of the body of his text had been deleted - that wikiquote's not a "dumping ground" for press releases and as to the relative length of the article for candidate Romney as compared to that of the current governor of California: During an election season candidates generate heat and partisans come on-line to catalogue quotes; and is that necessarily such a bad thing. Timelessness is a function of something's having been at one point very timely. Editors I think should should err on the side of an overrepresentation of these snapshots from out of the current political discourse; so unless an entire piece is to be expertly reworked, it should just be fine tuned here and there through, say, deleting a quote or two when a more pertinent one has been found. In other words, allow participants here to memorialize their subject's narrative and leave the ultimate judgement as to its pertinence and timelessness up to the public. --Justmeherenow 21:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikiquote and its Wikimedia sister projects are very sensitive about not being used to serve agendas by politicians, partisans, corporate interests, or really anybody with a non-neutral point of view about a subject. We have had some high-profile hijinks committed against Wikipedia by these folks in the recent past, so the community has a very low tolerance of anything that smacks of politicking. Also, please note that there is no effective difference between the "participants" and the "public" here. Anyone can edit these pages. But Wikiquote is not a forum for political discourse, even by proxy-by-quote. Obviously, folks will want to post their favorite quotes from their favorite "good" or "bad" politicians, but all must realize that if this looks like overenthusiastic support or opposition because of heated races, much material is likely to be deleted. It's best to keep articles pithy, original, and succinct. Do not use Wikiquote articles as a candidate's campaign archive. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Contributors are the public, yes. And while I agree attempts for neutrality is an important ideal, by that same token, broad accusations of a fellow editor's being a shill or too much of a hack displays a lack of neutrality itself. And setting up such a bogeyman doesn't assume good faith. I just checked out Noam Chomsky's fantastic wikiquote article, which really should be a model. I haven't checked out Gingrich's or Senator Clinton's but I did Obama's which is still pretty short but is coming along. I assume the editor who'd been amassing Romney quotes was attempting something similar. --138.89.124.15 19:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC) I looked up what had been deleted and agree it was too energetic so ignore my speech above. --Justmeherenow 01:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone likes Romney! No worries bro, you don't have to hide it!

Unsourced
Wikiquote no longer allows unsourced quotations, and they are in process of being removed from our pages (see Wikiquote:Limits on quotations); but if you can provide a reliable, precise and verifiable source for any quote on this list please move it to Mitt Romney. --Antiquary 21:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In Massachusetts, code orange means John Kerry just got out of the tanning salon.


 * Kids in our urban schools, most of them minorities, are not succeeding at anywhere near the rate of their counterparts in the suburbs. And let me be clear: the failure of our urban schools to prepare our children today for the challenges of tomorrow is the civil rights issue of our generation.


 * And a special thank you to the citizens of Massachusetts: You are paying all the taxes, creating all the jobs, raising all the children. This government is yours. Thank you for letting me serve you. I love this job.


 * We need people of many faiths to lead this nation, but we need a person of faith to lead this nation

sourced taxes?
I have concern regarding the quote " I Have Paid Taxes Every Year. A Lot Of Taxes. ". Photo taken Next day show - he checks recipe of paid taxes. Did you spot such spree before?

able notable!? being here new ... WDT you. 99.90.197.87 06:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

What an unbelievable partisan pile of crap
Is this nothing more than an attempt to list every single quote that shows Romney in a negative light? Many of the quotes don't even make sense without the additional back and forth between Romney and another person, which is not really the purpose of a quote. Is Romney even known for making a fraction of these statements? Additionally, there are quotes which leave out part of the quote. I am not fully aware of the rules regarding wikiquote, but much of this article would be a BLP violation on the main WP article. 66.44.182.212 14:04, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No doubt some of his supporters consider those same quotes you find objectionable to put him in a positive light. If missing context is necessary to make sense of any particular quote, feel free to supply it. ~ Robin Lionheart (talk) 21:52, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this may help contextualize, (spoken by Romney first wife):
 * you people ... hide things ... He is so good about it

"He can't look like that...."
Why am I not suprised that you would restore the quote attributed to him from 1965 by another person. Even the own rules here preclude this kind of crap. Prove that he actually said it, the onus is on you. 66.44.182.212 00:09, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I restored the quote of the statement attributed to Romney by a childhood friend. There is absolutely no evidence that last editor understands what "absolutely no evidence" means, and sufficient evidence of the quote being accurate is evident — "proof" is lacking — but to a skepticial and lucid enough person proof of nearly anything is nearly ALWAYS lacking — and they make assessments based on the preponderence of evidence, not shallow and casual presumptions of absolute certainty or absolutist judgements. The statement is presented as a quote of Romney in a reliable source. If there actually arises a dispute by Romney denying that he said such a thng, it could reasonably be moved to a "Disputed" section, based upon such an official dispute between differing memories of the people involved. ~ ♞☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 01:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * What a preponderously stupid statement. Does not Wikiquote follow the same quoting guidelines as Wikipedia?  Do you not realize that you open Wikiquote up to libel by presenting this as a factual statement?  Seriously, what kind of standards are required when making a claim against a living person here?  66.44.182.212 03:57, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This has been raised on WQ:AN and I have responded there.--Collingwood (talk) 08:05, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no libel involved in reporting an attribution made in a major newspaper: it is a perfectly citable secondary source, and the story was picked up by several other national news outlets, who are also not guilty of libel for doing so. There is reason to doubt the accuracy of the actual words, which the newspaper describes as a recollection, but I don't think that is the main issue here — As with another recently removed quote, this appears to be part of an anecdote that does not really stand on its own as a quotable quote. In my opinion, if the significance of a quote depends entirely on a larger narrative context then, unless it has already withstood the test of time as a famous quote that carries its own context, there is no reason to consider it quoteworthy in a compendium of quotations, notwithstanding that it is entirely appropriate to quote it in the context of a news story. I should remark that the original contributor of this quote, Robin Lionheart, generally does a very good job with quotes discussed in the news, and is a valued contributor to Wikiquote. I just don't think this particular choice meets the grade. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC) – amended Ningauble (talk) 15:25, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that Robin Lionheart is a good contributor. However, I think that this is not "particularly witty, pithy, wise, eloquent, or poignant" and would favour its removal on those grounds.  There are many good quotes from Romney; we don't need to inflate the page with bad ones.--Collingwood (talk) 18:08, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I fully support the retention of this quote as one which is currently considered newsworthy by many, whether or not it makes any grade in terms of extremely eloquent or witty statement on its own. I have never embraced or supported the suppositions of presumptions of many who seem to believe their levels of disinterest in some matters should become mandated as officially sanctioned levels of disinterest for the project, and am far more inclined to be liberally conservative of statements provided than many are, and far less impressed with or acceptive than some of efforts to censor or remove exposure to ideas, comments or views from ANY ranges of the political spectra. ~ ♞☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 18:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC) + tweak
 * Me too, there is need to chisel more goldened sentences. Why to bow to all those who want to silence words of one of candidates to republican candidate for US President? Donald ducke Anglosaxon (talk) 02:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That whole sorry incident seems pretty poignant to me, and has inspired artistic works like "Romney Mitt, the Demon Barber of Wall Street". It may be a more notable than quotable, however, so if we reach a consensus it should go, I'll not cavil. ~ Robin Lionheart (talk) 09:13, 11 August 2012 (UTC) ~ Robin Lionheart (talk) 09:13, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

"I'll send him the nickels"
can I put that quote? It is about Mister Romney who is slow to spend few more nickel on his taxes. Asking because; they say they source is raw and they are also MSM.
 * Previous unsigned comment from Donald ducke Anglosaxon (talk, contribs)
 * You can source quotes from CNN programs to CNN transcripts. But please include the name of the program and the date of broadcast next time, and try to keep context descriptions accurate. Also, sign your Talk page comments by ending them with four tildes in a row:  ~ . ~ Robin Lionheart (talk) 11:08, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you shure you understand contextualy more? R : "We are a nation under God, and in God we do indeed trust." G: tosse those thirsty nickels,  are you Romney, to trust you ? Donald ducke Anglosaxon (talk) 02:50, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understood your last comment at all, Donald. ~ Robin Lionheart (talk) 12:10, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, if so nobody will be sure what do you understand. How to quote what Romeny say about government-issue gas masks for us/US ? By the way who to call to get them in Chicago area ? Donald ducke Anglosaxon (talk) 00:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If it may help: after initials R; G; of Romney, Gibbs follow quote, thought respectively.

How to quote this? R say say I never paid less than 13 percent Do he mean realty never, it mean never, never at all Donald ducke Anglosaxon (talk) 02:29, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

a final (hopfully) qoute
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, my friends. Thank you so very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I have just called President Obama to congratulate him on his victory

source washingtonpost.com Some agent bloked the page, add it if you can.
 * Was there nothing in his concession speech more quotable than that? ~ Robin Lionheart (talk) 15:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * hmm, perhaps add the link: "my friends - coporations "

Is much of this material notable?
As an unbiased (ie Non-American) reader, I would like to observe that whatever merits Mitt Romney may have, many of the words that are recorded in this article can't be described as notable quotations by any conventional definition. Jmcc150 (talk) 12:29, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree. By all means remove anything you think is particularly bad, but please don't start an edit war.--Collingwood (talk) 13:29, 1 February 2013 (UTC)