User:Kalki/FloNight Assessments & Responses

It should be pointed out that in MOST of the "incidents" which are implied to be "improper" or "suspicious" and which usually are rather incidental or accidental and extremely trivial in effect despite exaggerative comments, were gathered up in 2009, and actually occurred many years before, the most "suspicious" of them dating back to 2003 and 2004 — and yet were portrayed as if they represented evidence of an urgent threat to the wiki, or malice on my part. ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 16:47, 18 January 2014 (UTC) + tweaks

I recognize that FloNight was burdened in seeking these relatively few and minor incidents out, amidst the tens of thousands of my edits, and for buttressing support of such facts as I never denied (i.e.: that I had MANY accounts, here and elsewhere), but I have always asserted that many of the assessments which were made, and which have increasingly been made over the years upon a paucity of evidence and much FALSE supposition are extremely erroneous. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 16:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC) + tweaks

This is a page which replicates material at User:FloNight/Kalki so I can provide EXTENSIVE responses to accusations and assessments made about me there, without intruding extensively onto FloNight's userspace page. I intend to respond to every observation and assessment made here, eventually, but it is NOT presently one of my top priorities to complete this, and it might take me several weeks before I do so. Responses I make to assessments or accusations will begin with a "—K".

Identified in October 2009

 * 1) States that Kalki is the primary account on WQ and most wikis where has been active at all.
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Identified in July 2008

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New confessions ("confesssions" of course is a loaded term there was NO CRIME —K )

 *  "confesssions" of course is a loaded term — I asserted these were mine — and ALSO that I committed NO CRIME in having these or using them. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 17:09, 18 January 2014 (UTC)


 * 1) openly revealed 2009·11·11
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 * 4) Revealed and labeled by Kalki on November 12, 2009
 * 5) openly revealed 2009·11·16
 * 6) openly revealed 2009·11·22

???

 * Accounts I stumbled across and likely Kalki's account.



Welcomes

 * Angel by Jeff Q (27 May 2006)
 * Fair Witness by Jeff Q 26 June 2006)
 * Able by Jeff Q (6 October 2007)
 * Abel by Jeff Q (6 October 2007)
 * Ability by Jeff Q (6 October 2007)
 * Accountability by Jeff Q (6 October 2007)
 * Iron by Ubiquity (14 April 2008)
 * The Grinch by Poetlister (13 June 2008)
 * The Phantom of the Opera by Poetlister (9 July 2008)
 * Phantom of the Paradise by Poetlister (9 July 2008)]
 * Quixote by Cato (June 25, 2008)
 * Gardener by Cirt (September 18, 2009)

—K: These are simply cases where some users who at times made it a habit of welcoming new accounts welcomed mine. My own responses, if made at all were usually low-key and noncommital, as I have never worked here to merely engage in small talk — despite apparently being the obvious subject of much of it since my accounts have become a subject of open controversy among some. ~ Kalki (talk &middot; contributions) 06:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

ACCUSATION 1 : Use admin tool/mult accounts same page
—K RESPONSE: The full incident of remarks made and my current observations are provided in the section below:
 * Richard Dawkins article talk. Kalki and Touchstone, User talk:173.161.2.238 aKalki and Touchstone,
 * Main account and sock account participating in same discussion. Using admin tools to block an ip after the sock account (Touchstone) gives an opinion about the edit and warns the ip user.

Repeated vandalism in 'sourced' section
A user has twice added the following quote in the sourced section: "'I occasionally doubt that Atheists will win the war against Religion, but then my conscious tucks at me and I go on to think of new ways to harm religion and religious people. Whenever a religious person dies, I get a jolt of happiness. People like Francis Collins need to be killed, because they show it is possible to believe in god and evolution at the same time. Since I want to either kill every religious person or convert them to atheism, this is not accetable.' -At a pro-atheist rally in Miami" I highly doubt Dawkins said anything like this, and have removed the quote until such a time as a source is found.
 * It is an obvious hoax effort. That IP has been pasting the same phony "quote" or part of it on pages of several different people. I reverted edits on several of them the other day, and posted a standard warning at User talk:173.161.2.238. Long term blocking of that IP seems in order. ~ Touchstone 20:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have just blocked that IP for 6 months, for repeated vandalism and malicious hoaxing. ~ Kalki 20:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have just blocked that IP for 6 months, for repeated vandalism and malicious hoaxing. ~ Kalki 20:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The above incident has been cited as if it were a clearly an act of unethical use of two of my accounts by some people. I do NOT see how this is so. It might be an absurdly bold indiscretion, but hardly an inately unethical one. I made a comment here, and I do not remember all that might have been involved in my decision to switch to my main account, and block the vandal. If I had SIMPLY done that without commenting at all here, HONESTLY in BOTH cases, there would be NO controversy about that act at all. To post a declaration of that fact here was perhaps admitedly somewhat deceiving, but certainly NOT maliciously so to anyone, and done more out of politeness to the commentor, than out of any actual need, desire or intent to deceive — nor was it actually detrimental to anyone but myself — as it has now been cited by some as if it were an incident of manifestly unethical behavior. Frankly I don't believe it as clearly unethical or contemptible a deception as declaring it such is — but I grant other people with other biases have the right to their opinions. ~ Kalki (talk &middot; contributions) 05:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

ACCUSATION 2

 * This is a case where I am accused of being unethical for simply announcing that a spammer had been blocked on the same page I had earlier issued warnings to stop spamming, but had done so using an alternate account. ~ Kalki (talk &middot; contributions) 06:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * User:Hot20024 reverted and warned by Zorro and blocked Kalki.

—K Response: Normally spammers simply abandon efforts once they are warned by an editor, but this one defied repeated warnings by my account as Zorro, prompting me to block the account as Kalki, and make an appropriate remark to that effect to the user's talk page. I CONFESS : To give warnings as a common editor, and then block a vandal or spammer using my Kalki account is a strategy I used numerous times, and I am sure many other examples can be found of these — it was a COMMON strategy I employed to fight vandalism when I was the ONLY active admin here for several years, and spammers and vandals seemed to wait until I was not active before strikng. The full remarks cited as if they were unethical are presented below:

User talk:Hot20024
~ Zorro 13:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

At the linked page above it clearly states: "Wikiquote is not a collection of advertisements" :
 * While there is a place on Wikiquote for advertising slogans, Wikiquote does not allow gratuitous advertising (spam) of any type. Users who repeatedly post links to commercial websites or to their personal website after being warned against doing so may be blocked from editing Wikiquote.

~ Zorro 13:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Incidents of spammng vandalism have resulted in this IP address being temporarily blocked from editing. ~ Kalki 13:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

User:134.95.5.107/Pythagoras

 * After Lucifer warns and reverts ip 134.95.5.107 user and the ip address politely responds, Kalki joins the discussion and falsely asserts that multiple editors are involve.
 * This exchange is a deliberately misleading use of the 2 accounts, and shows ownership issues of the Pythagoras article. *See Pythagoras history for edit war using 2 accounts. *And ownership issues on the talk page. March 2009

Overlap article edits:2009

 * Napoleon I of France (Kalki, Achilles, Gardener, Stainless Steel, and Magician)

User:Achilles

 * First edit January 4, 2003
 * Votes for deletion/Anthony Burgess

Use in policy discussion

 * heated comment on Greta Garbo article Votes for deletion/Greta Garbo/heated comment

Abortion article/Mr. Grace

 * Achilles comments about his exchange with Mr. Grace Multiple accounts discussing with Mr. Grace on Abortion talk page.

Neo to NEO rename

 * On August 16, 2007, Neo requests a rename to [[User:NEO] from Kalki on Kalki's talk page.] Rename done by Kalki the same day.

(The rename request statement is misleading because it explicitly states that the person is an observer not an editor.)

Rush Limbaugh

 * Multiple accounts editing the same article and leaving talk page comments.

Abortion

 * Multiple accounts editing the same article and talk page. (Achilles, Kalki, and Rumour).

Selective linking of accounts

 * Angel 007 is linked to Wikipedia and other Foundation accounts of the same name.
 * Linking Green Lantern and Iron Man accounts
 * Linking Rumour and Accountability June 2008 comment and selective linking of several accounts after contacted by Jeff Q.

—K: It entirely STUMPS me what I am being accused of doing that was improper here — '''I was OPENLY declaring some accounts as multiple accounts of the same person. This is hardly a violation of any policy I am aware of, anymore than simply HAVING them either OPENLY or privately was.''' ~ Kalki (talk &middot; contributions) 07:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Yoda
—K: Though my memory of this is no longer clear, I do believe this was entirely ACCIDENTAL where I inadvertently began commenting as Kalki — and I am not sure at what point I realized I had done so using different accounts. This was an inconclusive vote in April 2005, and I cannot remember fully all the circumstances of this reviewing it now, I see I did NOT actually VOTE as Kalki, but simply made COMMENTS and suggestions upon the matter (and I believe that I had NOT initially intended to do so as Kalki — but ONLY as Moby). This was an early case of an undecisive vote, and one where over the years I have actually changed my position to one opposite what it was then, and believe character pages should be permitted. I am not sure at this point but I KNOW that something I did accidentally and inadvertently as Moby caused me to stop using that account for years — until I myself actually forgot any other reason than wanting to diminish the attentions of a certain vandal, and began using it years later. I believe that this may have been that incident, simply because it was uncomfortably associating two of my accounts in a single issue, in a way I actually had NOT intended. ~ Kalki (talk &middot; contributions) 06:29, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Vfd started by Moby Vote by Kalki.

Religion
—K: I made many comments on this page, using a few different accounts in response to different issues in different sections. I hardly consider it appropriate to suggest this is in any way actually unethical activity. ~ Kalki (talk &middot; contributions) 07:11, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Most comments to Religion talk page are made by various Kalki accounts

2004 Vfd votes by multiple accounts

 * Link to 2004 Vfd where Kalki and other accounts participate in the same deletion discussions.
 * Extremely old Vfd discussions. Shows long term pattern of using multiple accounts in the same discussions.
 * —K: INDEED, "Extremely old Vfd discussions", BUT "Shows long term pattern of using multiple accounts in the same discussions"????— Frankly it shows a SINGLE example of a couple of rather innocuous remarks about somethng of rather trivial importance I had no strong opinions about either way, made when I was one of very few people active at this site — and my comments as Kalki were made suggesting some actions I might take as an admin ONLY IF no one had any objections — and there were NONE — but I still ended up not taking those actions, simply because they were of so LITTLE concern. In this incident I would say I probably had made the initial comments as Moby accidentally, and decided the rather innocuous remarks made later as Kalki where I suggested some actions were not likely to raise much objection — and they did not. To specify this SINGLE rather minor incident on couple comments made on a minor issue, and cared little about — and I was not actually in contention with anyone — serve as a sign of a "long term pattern of using multiple accounts in the same discussions" out of all the tens of thousands of edits and thousands of comments I have made over the course of 7 years is rather stretching it. ~ Kalki (talk &middot; contributions) 07:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)