User talk:Aphaia/Archive02

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Re: Manual of Style
I've actually been an editor on Wikipedia for over a year. only recently did I create a Wikiquote account with which to sign my name to edits here as well.

all the editing on Frenetic Five was because I couldn't think of a good way to:
 * 1) have good-looking quotes
 * 2) have one list item per quote

I still can't. if I could cut out all that HTML and still have it look good, I would.

&mdash; boredzo (talk) 2005-07-03 09:50:41 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply. Yor way of formatting is very different from other articles, and for me who aren't familiar with topics it is hard to figure how to read it (for example, "x me" is not understandable for me"). I guessed if you read our templates (boilerplates) and other articles in similar themes, like articles in Category:Fictional characters, it might be helpful for you. Cheers, --Aphaia 3 July 2005 09:57 (UTC)


 * I've added a page describing the format of Interactive Fiction quotes, and a link to that page from Frenetic Five. does that resolve the issue for you? &mdash; boredzo (talk) 2005-07-03 10:58:11 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. You seem to be stick to represent the game display itself but it is not suitable for wider audience. Appropriate description should be given as remark on that page, if necessary. In my opinion it is not nice "you need to know how to read it, see also MoS". It is beyond the purpose of MoS - it is for editors not for readers. I am sorry to say but you seem not to understand the characteristic of our project. --Aphaia 3 July 2005 11:23 (UTC)


 * I can think of no better way to display quotes from the game, than in the format used by the game's interpreter (the program in which the game runs). I did make the paragraph a little less terse.


 * as for being in MoS, it wasn't in MoS when I posted that paragraph; you moved it there. and I wrote it mainly for readers, not editors, in response to your comments (that the quotes were hard for people to understand who have never played IF).


 * finally, from the Main Page:
 * Welcome to Wikiquote, a free online compendium of quotations in every language, including sources (where known), translations of non-English quotes, and links to Wikipedia for further information!
 * they're quotations (in English), with the source, and with links to Wikipedia for further information. how is this not the characteristic of the project? &mdash; boredzo (talk) 2005-07-03 11:47:08 (UTC)


 * Please see my comments in Talk:Frenetic Five. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 3 July 2005 11:49 (UTC)

Quick question on proper --GordonWattsDotCom 4 July 2005 23:28 (UTC)manner to leave message chronologically:
I received your message on my talk page; I am unsure of the proper place to put the new messge, and I used the convention I have seen others use. Please move 1 or 2 of my comments to the proper place, so I can see an example of the proper method, and I will look in the page history "diffs" and see what is different and follow that convention. Thank you.--GordonWattsDotCom 4 July 2005 09:37 (UTC)

Sorry I can't because and that is why I asked you to move it. Pleae don't split other's comments and please follow chronological order. (Don't place your latest comment on the above of other's comment etc.) and I would be happy you stop your habit to color your comment. It reduce readability in my opinion. Thank you. --Aphaia 4 July 2005 09:40 (UTC)

Adélard Godbout
... ...... Wow! Fast copyediting! My thanks and congratulations (about your tweaking of my Adélard Godbout article)! I remember that I appreciated the message you had left me before and thanked you, while hoping to collaborate with you someday. So, here we are! It somehow feels like a compliment when a new article of yours is deemed important enough to receive a quality copyedit. I also was wondering about a better and more correct way to headline the section of quotes "about" the subject. Is "Quotes on " a Wikiquote standard? Thanks again; you're doing a good Wikipedian/Wikiquotian's work, Japanese friend! --Liberlogos 4 July 2005 11:00 (UTC)
 * Merci pour ton cordial message ;-) De rien. Et je suis ravie dont tu es content de mon travail, ou precisement notre collaboration.
 * "About" seemed to me a bit vague so I modified it, but I confess I either am not sure if it is "the standard" on Wikiquote. There are several ways and most of our policies and guidelines are for now drafting. As for formatting in general Guide to layout and Templates might be helpful for us. Greeting, --Aphaia 4 July 2005 11:24 (UTC)

Format of people?
Hi, Aphaia. I have noticed you are consistently changing the format of people pages to put their name not in a heading. Personally, I like it better the new way -- but I was wondering where the guideline of using this form is formulated? Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 4 July 2005 11:35 (UTC)
 * It reflects the discussion of Wikiquote talk:Templates and main document. If I understand correctly, we made it sure the way on Templates, that is, not using the first header to people's name, has been our standard. By the way, changing the format is not my main aim - resolving double redirects, orphaned pages and formatting newly created pages (and add lynx and categories) and the rewriting you mentioned is a part of it ;-) --Aphaia 4 July 2005 14:29 (UTC)

Talk:GordonWattsDotCom
I received your message on my talk page. Thank you for listening to my feedback. I would like to address your concerns. you said: "And as for "rotation" I say it is one of the worst ideas on Wikiquote" (4 July 2005 23:04 (UTC)) and " I let you know if your proposals beyond our criteria, no one will take it serious. Like your support for rotation. Thanks." I do not support rotation of the categories. That would be annoying and difficult. I think you misunderstood me. I was trying to say that I supported listening to all the concerns of all the users, especially 214, and calmly letting the issues be debated and voted on. This user's idea of rotation was not good, as you say, but she sent me an email asking for my help. I will not blindly agree with one point of view, but I feel it good to address each concern and welcome newcomers. You also said: "And some of your past actions like request for modification of the article to sysops..." I edited on Wikipedia, but I never saw a page blocked from editing; in that sense, I was a newcomer, and I did not know how to ask for help. Please forgive and overlook my lack of experience here. You said also "or coloured messages shows regretfully you understand our policies, guideline and habit incompletely." I got into the habit of posting in a mild, soft color in Wikipedia and it became accepted, but I am sorry if I was annoying accidentally; I corrected that. I am sorry that you misunderstood my support for rotation; You do not have to worry: I do not support bad ideas, but I feel this new user, while too impatient, was not acting in bad faith, and I wished to acknowledge his or her edits to make him or her feel welcome. Thank you for your understanding. I will try to be polite and brief in my comments.--GordonWattsDotCom 4 July 2005 23:28 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarification. As for voting I think it might not be help for 214, because we don't accept anonymous vote. See Voting. Thanks. --Aphaia 4 July 2005 23:34 (UTC)

I received your post to my talk page; I do not wish to cause dissent; however, I honestly think we all can do better, and in fact, I did not do all that I thought I should do, but I had to get some sleep; Also, I understand that you had support and I respect that, but others felt somewhat that we should try to make our case and argue the points respectfully before blocking a person. It does not hurt to try. I will tell you privately, I think that 214 is either an American or a Chinese woman of Tiwanese decent based on my research on the Internet of the email address from which he or she emailed me. Also, I think she is a woman because she referred to you as "she," in his/her email to me; I think that a person thinks from their perspective, so that she thinks you are female makes me believe 214 is a woman. Of course, it does not matter what her gender or national origen is; It is good to try to have peaceful relations with all persons. Also, based on the IP address, I think she is a military employee of some sort, but this is not as important as the fact that 214 should consider being patient and possibly registering a user name to bring more accountability and open lines of communication. Since you may think my remarks are of a private nature, you can delete them as soon as you read them, but I wanted to share with you what I found out: The email address of whomever emailed me (probably 214) or a varient of the email address had posted to a .tw website about Billiards, I think, based on the online translator. Thank you for your understanding.--GordonWattsDotCom 5 July 2005 03:57 (UTC)
 * "others felt somewhat that we should try to make our case and argue the points respectfully before blocking a person. It does not hurt to try." Can you give me a pointer, please. Because I ask you so, as far as I know, no one made a dissent on that issue. But as for the sysop who performed it, I would like to know the remark you mentioned as clear as possible, unless it came from an anon including the person who was just blocked. And I would be happy I am busy and do my best on this project. I am responsible for other activities like the Board Election. And I think it is more important and urgent. I would be happy if you understand I can't spend my all time to the issue you are concerned. Thank you. --Aphaia 5 July 2005 04:12 (UTC)


 * Thank you. When I said that, I meant that others have been friendly towards 214 and offered to listed to her. While you are right that no one opposed your request to block 214, nonetheless, reading the talk page, I see many others being friendly and welcoming the newcomer, 214 -arguing with her, yes, but being a friendly neighbor. That is all I meant; I understand that you have other responsibilities; I do too. I am not accusing you of doing less than best; Maybe you did your best in the past. I do not say that we should do whatever 214 says, but I am in favor of inviting comments on the problems i have located and identified and maybe having a vote on some of them as a good-will gesture to show 214 that she is welcome. Even if she is a newcomer to Wikiquote, I am sure that she has made contributions to other areas of the world. Even so, life is valuable, and I hope to let you all know I am thankful for your efforts, and that includes the newcomer too. I saw your brief comment in the history of the talk edits; No, I do not wish to offend you or accuse you. I have no motive, and ask nothing in return. The one quote I desired was placed, and I seek no more additions or alterations. Here is what I think: We should be glad that the newcomer came and disturbed our peace, because this has made us think and try to understand the issues and disagreements. I have done all of the work and saved a copy. All the others need to do is read it and make additions to identify new "problems" or propose "solutions," and then briefly debate and vote. I hope that I have made it easy for you. If you do are doing your best, then I am glad. If you are too busy to work with this, then either someone else can formally ask for debate and a vote, or maybe you can give yourself one or 2 weeks for this, and invite 214 to participate. Do not worry about the outcome; I think you are trying, so don't be discouraged. It will work out well, I promise. Sorry fore the length this time; I think I am finished with contributions now -all that's needed is debate & voting. Take care,--GordonWattsDotCom 5 July 2005 05:22 (UTC)

OOps! I am sorry - I did not know the policy. OK, I was wrong, but I am not experienced in all the ways of Wiki. Either 214 registers or she abstains from voting. I did not speak officially; I shall correct myself in my posts. Thank you.--GordonWattsDotCom 5 July 2005 05:38 (UTC)

you wrote: "We might have different perspective in some parts, but I think everyone admits you did a big deal. Hoping it works well. Cheers" Thank you. I hope I was helpful too.--GordonWattsDotCom 5 July 2005 23:38 (UTC)

you wrote: "But like two 214 edits, allowing anon votes causes easily flauds and evitable doubtness of validity." What is the word "flauds?" Do you mean "frauds" as in a person voting 3 or 3 times? Thank you.--GordonWattsDotCom 5 July 2005 23:38 (UTC)
 * Like that. Some of editors already suspected if the second 214 was the same person of the first 214, for example. --Aphaia 5 July 2005 23:41 (UTC)

Sysop vote
Hi. In Requests for adminship, you supported me inside an HTML comment (&lt;-- ... --&gt;), which makes the vote not visible in the page though it is visible in the source. Just letting you know :) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 5 July 2005 04:45 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and I guessed Jeff would like to vote by himself and at first. if not, or after he would do so, I'll get rid of those markup ;-) --Aphaia 5 July 2005 04:50 (UTC)

Anon voting
Aphaia, I think you're a bit ahead of policy on your statements (in several current discussions) that we do not accept anonymous-user voting. I know that's in the draft Voting page, but I don't believe we've yet established a consensus. I, for one, have routinely accepted the (admittedly rare) anon votes in VfDs, although I reject many of them not because they're anon, but because they're often illegal or unsigned. I know the main argument against anon voting &mdash; that such users in general do not show their commitment to the project by registering &mdash; is a good rule of thumb, but Wikiquote has, I suspect, a larger proportion of anon editors than, say, Wikipedia. (Of course, it's possible that forbidding anon voting may help us to get people to register, but with a fairly small editor population, I wasn't inclined to promote social engineering through policy changes unless necessary. &#9786;)

I suppose we should set a timetable for refining WQ:Voting to make it policy, since all other formal policies should probably be subject to votes as well, and we (hopefully) will be getting more participation from non-sysops on these issues. &mdash; Jeff Q (talk) 5 July 2005 07:56 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your remark, and correction, I put a comment on Gordon's talk. Yes, I remember now you counted anon votes' sometimes. If forbidding anon voting could encourage them to register, some of my experience on voting says so - but it isn't same they would be integrated into the community as registered users. I will make researches on voting on other projects, if necessary. But now limiting our topics, setting a reasonable eligibility is helpful to organize votes properly, and discourage folks to try doing flauds from my experiences. And you could understand if we allow anons to vote, it would be harder to put any other rules about voters' eligibility, avoiding sockpuppets and so on.
 * I agree with you timetable for refining WQ:Voting is currently one of highest priority of our governance. Growing the project, we need more votes to resolve issues, and then such a compact set of rules will be helpful. --Aphaia 5 July 2005 08:05 (UTC)

Deletion?
Hi, Aphaia. There are 4-5 articles on WQ:VFD which have passed their deadline and are all "deletes, no dissents except for unsigned votes". Could you delete some of them? Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 6 July 2005 07:49 (UTC)
 * Thanks [[Image:WikiThanks.png]] ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 6 July 2005 08:12 (UTC)
 * No prob ;-) --Aphaia 6 July 2005 08:13 (UTC)

Re: Templates
''Hi, MosheZadka, I think your template "sign" is very helpful. I wonder if you would have an idea to create similar templates, for instance, for preview recommendation. And also we need to consider re-design Template:Welcome. Perhaps better after re-organozation of edit guide documents like "Guide to layout". I hope to hear your idea. Cheers, --Aphaia 6 July 2005 14:22 (UTC)''


 * I am happy you thought Template:Sign was helpful! I did not want to overly publicize it before I knew it had acceptance. Is there a central place for templates discussion? ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 6 July 2005 15:21 (UTC)
 * If I recall correctly, we have no central place for templaates discussion currently. Perhaps we have some candidates: Wikiquote talk:Template messages, talk of user talk templates (its subpage) or WQ:VP. or we could have a discussion on somewhere and invite other editors to join the discusssion. --Aphaia 6 July 2005 15:24 (UTC)

Merging quotations
Hello! You tagged the Lakitu quotations with a note that they should be merged with Super Mario Bros. I'm more of a Wikipedia contributor, so I don't know how things are done here, but that doesn't seem like the best course of action to me. The Super Mario Bros. article is already uselessly cluttered as it is, since it includes every one of the numerous Mario games that have been created. In my opinion, the Super Mario Bros. article needs to be broken up, and further mergers into it do not seem helpful. Is there any policy I can read on this? Thanks! BrianSmithson 7 July 2005 13:11 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your message. We have no written policy or guideline on this point and you need to pick up related discussion from WQ:VFDA. But I have a different opinion. On Wikiquote we don't welcome characters in general, even Yoda was merged into Star Wars. If a character quotes are too long to be included in an article, or included in several article, we support it has a dedicated page on the Project. So in the current situation, I don't think it is a good idea to create Lakitu as an independent article. --Aphaia 7 July 2005 13:28 (UTC)

Uncategorized
Hi, Aphaia. I wanted to let you know that User:MosheZadka/uncat is finished. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 9 July 2005 14:23 (UTC)

Interlang to en?
I do not understand the point of this diff. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 9 July 2005 14:57 (UTC)
 * Oh my, I was confused it with the French equivalent ... thank you. --Aphaia 9 July 2005 15:00 (UTC)

Good to be back
''Welcome back! We missed you really. --Aphaia 6 July 2005 01:13 (UTC)''

Thanks, Aphaia. It's good to be back. Between odd work hours and my computer-fiend nephew staying with me for the summer, my activity will be very limited for a while, but I'll be pitching in where and when I can. --RPickman 20:51, 9 July 2005 (UTC)


 * It will be nice for you to have a little guest ;-) Have a good time. And thank you for your message ;-) --Aphaia 20:54, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: Quentin Tarantino
''I have a different idea about it; because it is suspected to be a copyvio, you would be nice to keep it for review or at least could leave a link to the revision in quesion. And in my opinion, if it is a copyvio, it would be better to delete it once and then post a new version without problem. But it is just my personal thought''. --Aphaia 22:38, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Done, see my message at WQ:VFD ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 22:44, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Lists
Hi, Aphaia. Please look at User:MosheZadka/lists and give me your opinion. I want to make progress on this issue. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 12:49, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for your thoughtful comments. I have integrated them as best I could into the main text. I fear I did not make myself clear -- I wanted you to edit the intro directly, not start the voting. Since this is my first Call-for-votes, I wanted to make sure it is clear enough. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 14:02, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi, Aphaia. Thanks for deleting Phyrne -- my bad. I'm still a newbie at this, as you know :) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 10:33, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, you will become soon familiar with it! --Aphaia 12:18, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Serbian / Serbo-Croatian proverbs
Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian are now recognized as the separated languages. However, they are so similar that a few years ago they were known as one single language, called Serbo-Croatian or Croato-Serbian. That language had two basic dialects: Eastern, Serbian, which was Cyrillic and Ekavian (the word milk, for example, is mleko), and the Western, Croatian, which was Latin and Ijekavian (milk here is mlijeko). These languages and nations are so relative that they have the same poems, sotries, and proverbs. That's why it's better to make one page with Serbo-Croatian proverbs than two separate with Serbian and Croatian, when they are the same. Cyrillic proverb there is Serbian, and the Latin is Croatian. They are the same, only the script is different. --Ђорђе Д. Божовић 13:37, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your close and friendly explanation1 Happy editing, --Aphaia 19:52, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Abortion Quotes
The quotes of abortionists who are asked to describe and defend their lawful practice of abortion belong in the pro-abortion section. These statements are made earnestly to in defense of the right to choose to abort a child at any stage of pregnancy. There is no rational basis to call the defense of partial birth abortion by an abortionist who performs them as somehow "neutral" or "indefinite" - such a view mocks the ENglish language and elementary logic. I hope you will consider this before doing a knee-jerk reaction to pretend the comments were not made in defense of abortion. If it makes the doctor look silly or cold-hearted, then that is simply something people will need to think about as they read the quote (not for wikiquote to distort by hiding it in some other inaccurate location). 214.13.4.151 20:22, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, 214, relax and please behave yourself. Your words sound no friendly, and somehow an opposition to WikiLove Cheers. --Aphaia 08:59, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I was the editor responsible for putting that quote in the neutral section. While I do not oppose you siding with 214, I would like to explain my logic:


 * The quotation was by a doctor who was clearly "pro-choice" (as proven by the fact that he was an abortion doctor). However, the quote, if I can recall correctly, dealt with a factual description of abortion, telling statistics such as the fact that many abortions are by choice ("80% are purely elective," that is, by choice, and not necessary). Facts are NPOV, and unbiased or indefinite. (In fact, this fact actually makes abortion look bad, by painting it as a convenience done when not necessary in many cases.)


 * I agree that the doctor looks silly, because his quote does not support abortion, even though he is an abortion doctor. However, I do not object to you making a decision to move this quote to another section: The most important fact is that the quotation is available to readers. (My computer got damaged by lightening, so I am using a slower computer modem right now; additionally, my personal responsibilities slow me down, so I don't have as much time to post edits recently.)--GordonWattsDotCom 07:40, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, if I recall correctly, we have agreed on that no one would move any quote from a certain setion to another. Because there have been no consensus for each quote. I know. Gordon, you support immidiate move, but on the talk there is no consensus if such move is welcome, and we have agreed on that we do nothing without consensus currently - before doing something, ask other's opinion, if you (or I) would like to change something (except genuine addition). --Aphaia 08:53, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * You are correct: We did agree that the quotes stay in their orginal categories, and I certainly support this: I believe I left all the quotes in the correct categories; I am not disagreeing with you on this; I am merely remaining neutral on any discussion about moving the quotes around. I do slightly favor you, but the main importance is that the quotes are present somewhere.--GordonWattsDotCom 15:40, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I looked at every single edit on the quotations and talk pages, and Moshe, Kalki, and 214 did an excellent job. The only thing that I would find objectionable is the removal of these two attributed quotes here, which 214 thinks are not relevent: I'm an inclusionist.--GordonWattsDotCom 15:40, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * "A person's a person, no mattter how small."
 * Horton Hears a Who, Dr. Seuss's (Theodor Seuss Geisel's) children's book on respecting others
 * All plucked flowers and carrots are untimely ripped. All scotched weeds or cadaver eating are abortions.
 * O Anna Niemus

I hope you all enjoy yourselves and have pleasurable social experiences, when I am gone. Have a nice day,--GordonWattsDotCom 15:40, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Aphaia, I will stop editing for a spell. I have added MANY quotes and tried to clean up formatting. Please let me know if I have done anything that you think violates the wiki rules. And especially if you or any others plan to contact the owner of my IP address (as I see you mentioned on July 4). 214.13.4.151 17:53, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Aphaia, since I know that English is not your native language, I would like to clarify 214's comments above. When she says "Aphaia, I will stop editing for a spell," this is colloquial language to mean that she will take a break, quit editing for a while, and such. It is my feeling that 214 feels that she has contributed sufficiently enough and doesn't want to "wear out her welcome mat," or offend you. (Or, maybe she is fatigued, tired, overworked, or such, but I am not sure about that.) I myself am too busy to concern myself with much editing, so I too hope that my contributions were worthwhile and beneficial. I feel confident that you can correct any minor formatting problems. The edits which I myself made were sourced correctly, and all links were not merely "references." I think that 214 was similarly accuracy, but on that point I can not completely 100% vouch. Take care, and have a nice day.--GordonWattsDotCom 00:39, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I made a minor change for you on your user page
Aphaia, since I am so uncertiain of my abilities to be online (so many computer troubles!), I did not want to miss the opportunity to help you when I was able: I changed your intro message a little, and you can trust my abilities, since I have spoken English for almost four decades. Well, that'a all I wanted to say. I wish you the best of luck in communication, and I know it's hard -that is difficualt -to learn any new language. Have a nice day,--GordonWattsDotCom 07:32, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Just Starting Interlangcreator From The Netherlands here
Hi, i saw your message at the Dutch Wikiquote about Interlang (very old message though....), I would be willing to work together. I can do German, Dutch and English Interlang links, if I can help somewhere send a mail to sitethief at gmail.com or if not urgent leave a message at my Usertalk (Wikiquote), i am bored anyway :P ;) 80.143.37.145 11:31, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I've made it easier to talk :) Sitethief 22:08, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, and welcome to English Wikiquote, Sitethief. Sorry for my late reply. If you create en-other langs interlang links, specially nl-en(de), I could bring it to ja/fr/it. --Aphaia 05:37, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Million Dollar Baby vote
Hi, Aphaia! Since Million Dollar Baby now has quotes, I was wondering if you want to change your vote on it in the VfD discussion. Since it is due for close in a few hours, it would be nicer if there was unanimous consensus :) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 07:47, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome, but I have been here since 29 July 2003. // Liftarn
 * Oops, so you are older than me on the project o_@ Sorry if you have been annoyed and welcome back, again. We are curently growing very rapidly and need more hands. --Aphaia 14:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


 * No problem. Just a bit suprised nobody noticed earlier. I'm afraid I will only drop in now and then to dump a few quotes and do very little of the day to day work. // Liftarn


 * Hmmm (trying to recall when I dropped a line of quotes here on EN WQ at the last time...) ...　Aphaia

Religion
Hello. I have answered your comment on Religion at User talk:Alan Liefting. Alan Liefting 21:43, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * See also Talk:Religion. Alan Liefting 21:55, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Moving articles under VfD
Do you know of any policy (official or otherwise) within the MediaWiki world about renaming articles that are being voted for deletion? We have two right now, The Other Eden and Evans, that turn out to be more properly named This Other Eden and Bergen Evans, respectively. Ordinarily I'd just move them, but I don't know if this is proper. Of course, the remaining redirects will still allow people to jump to the correct article to review it while they consider its deletion. I just don't feel comfortable about this action without checking with a more experienced wikian. Thanks for any insight you can provide. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:30, 4 August 2005 (UTC)


 * In en.wikipedia, articles to be VfDed should not be moved or merged. See w:Template:vfd ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 15:47, 4 August 2005 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, there is no general policy about moving or merging VFD candidates. English Wikipedia forbids such moving explicitly, perhaps mainly for avoiding confusion. Japanese Wikipedia has no explicit rules but conventionally such moving seldom occurs. So if necessary, we will draft a set of rules about this issue.
 * In my opinion, 2 weeks in maximum can be tolerable even if the article is named improperly, and merging might create a confusion to judge what should be deleted. A vote for move or merge and a message on talk (and if necessary, a redirect to the current article) would be better, but it is my personal opinion. --Aphaia 09:09, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


 * As usual, Aphaia, I find your opinion quite helpful! (MosheZadka's was also very useful.) I've added messages to Talk:The Other Eden and Talk:Evans about likely moves. Since there are no active links to This Other Eden (including coming from Wikipedia), we probably don't need to create a redirect for the few days remaining on its extended VfD. (By the way, I restored the WP link that you removed, with the idea that several other Ben Elton books do have WP articles, and the Elton article itself has a (red) link to This Other Eden, so we can hope to see an article in the foreseeable future. In fact, our link might even encourage its creation.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:09, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Bot status
Hi, could initiate some voting to place bot status to User:LeonardoRob0t, thanks, Leonardo Gregianin 16:39, 21 Ago 2005 (UTC)

"Nolite te bastardes carborundorum" transwiki
Hey folks, we've really made a mess of the transwiki of this neo-Latin proverb. To recap, the following actions occurred: When I noticed oddities about the resulting article, I went to Transwiki to figure out what had happened. But not a single change was logged since it arrived in Wikiquote. This is why we have the transwiki log — to untangle these hard-to-track movements and frequent transwiki editing errors and omissions. I've logged the major transactions and added a heading and text to the talk page to clarify where the original material came from.
 * On 7 August 2005, Dmcdevit simply moved the transwikied article into Nolite te bastardes carborundorum, despite the fact that quoted text is not itself an appropriate article title.
 * On 17 August 2005, MosheZadka merged the information into Margaret Atwood and created redirects from the article and its talk page, but neglected to check for double redirects, something that should always be done when creating redirects (or doing moves). Also, the resulting talk page history statement made it look like what was transwikied was "Margaret Atwood", which was misleading.
 * On 20 September 2005, Aphaia fixed the Transwiki: redirects.

I know this transwiki stuff is a pain, but until the MediaWiki projects come up with some automated system to get things moved between projects properly, it's important to follow the correct procedures. Whenever processing a transwiki, I highly recommend setting aside 10-15 minutes, reviewing the steps described in Help:Transwiki, logging the changes made, and checking "What links here" for any moved or redirected articles. When you're done, you should not only verify that the transwiki log shows the complete move (preferably by clicking on the links in the log, which will expose broken redirects or misspelled titles), but also read the resulting article and talk pages to ensure they make sense for people who come across them for the first time. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


 * thank you for your notice, I haven't noticed it had been transwikied. I agree with you on that we are better to keep a track on transwiki log and perhaps we should encourage the editors who transwiki article(s) from somewhere to this project to use transwiki log. --Aphaia 18:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I haven't noticed (yet) any problems with incoming transwikis. "Nolite" was properly logged by the anon who transferred it from Wikipedia (although I wish they'd used an internal link for the WQ article rather than the external form, since the former makes a existing or broken link obvious). The problem seems to be what happens once it's here, and that's solely our responsibility. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:54, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Help with French
Hi, Aphaia! I've found myself needing to translate some Pascal quotes from French. I would appreciate it if you go over my translations and see if they need fixing up. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:47, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Quotable greetings
Hi there from quoteland :) We need to get back into collaboration again, N... Sj

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome message on my talk page. I know this thanks is 5 months overdue, but thanks anyways.--Shreshth91 ($ |-| rE$ |-| t |-|  ). 10:17, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
 * And then, welcome back Shreshth91. I hope you enjoy Wikiquote like me. --Aphaia 16:43, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Reported Japanese proverb
Hi, Aphaia! Please see Talk:Tea for something which is supposed to be a Japanese proverb but is not on Japanese proverbs. Any references you can find would be appreciated! ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 20:41, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Bot status
Hi Aphaia, I request here. Thanks :-) LeonardoGregianin 11:04, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Archival of village pump
Hi, Aphaia. Thanks a lot for archiving village pump discussions. It was way overdue, and the page was becoming unusable. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:44, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Bosnian wikiquote
Aphaia, thanks for upgrading my status to sysop on Bosnian wikiquote. I have a question. Do you know why is Wikiquote logo not showing up on Bosnian wikiquote (in upper left corner) and do you know what is the file name of that logo (like wiki.png is on wikipedia). Again, thanks. Dado

Western Sahara quotes and welcome
===>Thanks I appreciate you saying "hi!" I'm much more active on Wikipedia, and I simply threw up this page on a lark. I've since added some context to the page, and I hope to make myself more useful in this community, but the simple truth is that I'll be on the 'Pedia much more often. Koavf 05:30, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the wonderful note
Thank you, as well, for your wonderful note. I must say that I'm delighted to see you active here again — en:Wikiquote is diminished in your absence. And I gained a new appreciation for your contributions after I started posting welcome messages! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Hi Aphaia, I just wanted to say thanks for your comment on my RfA. I've been promoted to an administrator, so I look forward to working with you here, and I hope I'll prove to be "fun to work with" ;-). -- Robert 00:06, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi! Sorry to reply too late, and congrats for your promotion! I hope you find me a good coworker. Happy editing, --Aphaia 06:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Zhuang_Zi.jpg
Having in mind that you have familiarity with the Japanese language, I ask him the kindness of verify itself in the links informed in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Zhuang_Zi.jpg and http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F:Zhuang_Zi.jpg and http://www.cnet-ta.ne.jp/p/pddlib/photo/index.htm itself exists some restraint of use of the image.

Grateful

--Chico 20:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Chico! Hopefully you have got information already, the last website (cnet-ta.ne.jp/p/pddlib) said at their top page in Japanese, "if an image is fringed with yellow, it is not in PD" (orig: 黄色の枠で囲まれている画像はＰＤＤではありません. translated by myself). The image in question is fringed with blue, hence they think it as PD. Cheers, --Aphaia 11:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Latin Wikiquote
Hello. I'm the present head editor of the latin WQ, actually, I'm the only editor there. I see you are the only admin but haven't edited the project for 3 months. As there are some pieces of WikiMedia that aren't translated, do you think it is OK if I propose for adminship? Usor:Argentino 19:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I took an action as my responce on Latin Wikiquote. --Aphaia 06:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

July 10 quote of the day
Hi, Aphaia. This is a bit trivial, but could you clarify your (2005) vote on the Porky Pig and Bugs Bunny quote suggestions for July 10? When AllanHainey posted them, he didn't separate them, so it's not clear whether you were voting for one or the other or both. (I've split them into 2 separate quotes, copied your vote to both, and noted this to help Kalki interpret the situation.) Thanks. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 10:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Coldcat blocking
Aphaia : the user Coldcat is not likely a vandal: I will unblock that name, because there are no edits from it. There is an impersonator who is causing disruptions by using various usernames, often working from IP 216.164.203.9, and making false accusations against others, here and at the Wikipedia, and generally being an pathetic and truly infantile nuisance to others in whatever way a profoundly obnoxious idiot can manage to be. ~ Kalki 04:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually the creation of "Coldcat" and "Coldcat" (using uppercase "I" to look like a lowercase "L") right after the creation of "Hotpussy" indicates that these also might indeed be user impersonations by this particular vandal, and I might need to block the other one eventually. ~ Kalki 04:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your note, I thought the former created by the same user whom you had blocked from warning on log. However I don't oppose to give him or her to behave more wisely under a different name. --Aphaia 06:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

WHY WHY WHY
Why did you block my account Hotpussy? 216.164.203.90 04:20, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Because of inapropriateness of user name. See Blocking policy. You are however invited to change your account, if want. --Aphaia 06:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * 216.164.203.90 is already associated with other complex vandalisms, including 2-user efforts involving a newly-registered username, and another user or IP address feigning ignorance (see User talk:Wazzawazzawaz). The Hotpussy/Coldcat/Paul August situation is just a new variation involving three new usernames. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 15:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome!--Az1568 07:41, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your greetings! Happy editing, --Aphaia 07:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Join Esperanza
I would like to invite you to join Esperanza. The goal of Esperanza is to make wikiquote a more friendly place to be. If you join you will help build Esperanza wich could help you be in a leadership position at Esperanza. Have a nice week.--Sir James Paul 18:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice idea, besides I am not generally interest in taking a leadership position ... efforts to build community is helpful on the growing project like ours. Is there any progress since then? --Aphaia 14:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Very sorry, I won't join it. See my post to WQ:VP too. --Aphaia 17:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hi, I'm a french user, who doesn't speak english very well. My main contribution on this Wikiquote will be to writte "fr:" on the bottom of the articles which I will create on french Wikiquote. Thank you for your welcome, and see you later, SoLune 19:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC).
 * Salut, pas de probleme. Je suis japonaise, et aussi ne parle pas anglais tre's bien. Et merci pour tes lignes au Wikiquote francophone! --Aphaia 19:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome
Appreciate the kind words. I'm a Wikipedia editor that participates in editing the Mark Levin page there. I noted that the wikiquote page (Mark Levin) on the subject was flagged as requiring cleanup to meet Wikiquote standards. I would appreciate any feedback on my efforts or further cleanup. Thanks. NYCTommy 20:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

multiple attacks in October
''Hi, Jeff Q. I am sorry I couldn't responce your inquire about vandalism in October as meta-Wikiquote folk. I have no idea why I could miss it (the page has been in my watchlist); I could believe other RC patrol folks would have offered help. Again, apologies. Was it already solved? Is there anything new (e.g. policies) related to that issue, like Checkuser policy? Is there something I can do?''

''Also, I didn't notice Jimbo removed quotes from a page. I also believe he acted just regarding in a long term. French Wikiquote was closed in this April, in May its remembrance was more clear than now ...... is there any change about our citing policy regarding to living / copyright unexpired people & works? If so, I will very appreciate your recommendations the pages one must read to know the policy around this issue.''

Cheers, --Aphaia 00:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I long ago gave up on Vandalism reports after no one responded to my well-researched, well-documented attempt to organize a cross-project response to this vandal. I saw no reason to follow up, given that the vandal clearly reads our vandalism reports as well, and pursuing assistance without response only amuses him while frustrating us. We have been handling things adequately. We still aren't using Checkuser, to my knowledge. I don't know if we have two regular, network-knowledgeable editors here interested in requesting it for en:WQ. (I might in the future, but I have been working at a reduced level for several months, and do not wish to add responsibilities at this time.)


 * I have no problem with Jimbo deleting material from absurdly long articles, except that I am embarrassed that he needs to do so. We regular editors have been taking a harder stance against excessive quotation and the use of copyrighted material, but we still have a long way to go before our community puts enough effort into this work. Wikiquote is definitely growing, but it's still adding infrequent editors who don't care about copyright faster than conscientious editors who do care. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your information. --Aphaia 11:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up!

 * re: I recommend you to stop posting any new template and give the community explanation. Generally it is not reasonable way to continue posting materials similar with something now listed on WQ:VFD without any explanation. --Aphaia 11:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Not sure what you're talking about, but I'll see what's going on on that link. I've been up all night, so can use a break. Thanks for the heads up. FYI--I'm just trying to put a communication system in place and deliver a few goodies along the way. See W:Wikipedia:WikiProject template sharing... it's a very rough stab, but the thrust of the concept should be clear. f it's not, please tell me what isn't. Once I get a stub system in place I need to polish that up and make it a Meta-project, present it to the Communication committee for cross language adoption, and all that. Just getting all the eye's dotted and tees crossed has taken some serious time investment. Thanks! // Fra nkB 13:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

New VfD process
I wanted to let you know that I moved your VfD discussion of Image:Hawking.jpg to, in line with our current experiment with a Wikipedia-like nomination process. I did it because I noticed that new transcluded nominations, when added after an old-style nomination like yours, get mixed into the section edits of the old discussion. This will almost certainly cause errors and confusion, so I suppose we'll have to try to use only the new system while we trying it out.

If you have any more articles you'd like to nominate while we're doing this, could you try the system described at User:LrdChaos/Nominating a page for deletion. (It's basically the same as WP, but with simple edit summary guidelines.) Thanks. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh thanks! I forgot it has already switched ... thank you for your kindly notice! I'll keep in it mind. --Aphaia 18:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Meta
I don't agree with the editing comments in general, find the removal of "http://" a necessary evil, and don't believe it is against copyright laws. You belive the opposite. So, no hard feelings?  Cbrown1023  talk  03:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment, my argument might be excessive. And even where, I didn't take it personal. My point is it is a moral problem and we are better to avoid it as possible as we can; you may agree not every legally acceptable things is necessary morally right, when you think it necessary "evil". And I may be an extremist in this point as educated in an academic tradition of humanities where even a difference of punctuation could alter the entire basis of argument. --Aphaia 10:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Pun in 498a
I was amused to see your following response to LrdChaos, about moving 498a, in Votes for deletion/498a:


 * You suggested Indian laws. I had proposed Marriage.

I wanted to be the first to congratulate you, assuming LrdChaos accepts your marriage proposal. &#9786; Seriously, knowing the language barrier you must cross, but also knowing your impressive command of English vocabulary, I wasn't sure if you meant the double entendre or not. If you did, bravo! It's even more impressive because nobody seems to have commented on it yet. (I suspect the excellent accomplishment of puzzling your audience, making them wonder if you meant to pun, translates well into any language or culture.) If you didn't mean to, let me say that I've seen native English speakers make such unintentional puns in the heat of a debate, so you can enjoy the amusement without embarrassment.

Puns involving multiple languages, or crossing language barriers, are one of my favorite forms of humor. In my French classes, I was notorious for punning whenever I could, which was entertaining even when only the teacher and the faster students got the jokes. I even used the archaic French form of "Jeff", Geoffroi, in class just because it's a homonym for j'ai froid. Having many languages in the world is a tremendous challenge to clear communication, but it can also be a source of great fun. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 12:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your complement and letting me aware of the unexpected effect of our discussion! As you assumed, it was not my original intention, but yeah, it could have been read as you suggested ... *brush* I hope all others took it humorous and enjoy it. --Aphaia 13:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Mnemonic pages VfD
I was reviewing the "Mnemonic pages" VfD, and I found myself cringing a little at my strong anti-mnemonic article opinion, which I've expressed elsewhere but maybe not so bluntly. I hope you realize that I was not suggesting that you "made up" the content of Japanese mnemonics. I was speaking of a general vulnerability to the kind of vanity quotes (in this case, personally invented mnemonics) that we get all the time in genres like "Themes", wherever our community is used to seeing a total lack of sources. I've recognized quite a few mnemonics from these articles myself, but I still expect them to be properly sourced. (Who's to say that the mnemonic for the order of the planets that I learned from my 3rd-grade teacher wasn't her own invention? A source would make that clear, yet no one wants to source these things.) I'm just sorry we happened to start with your article. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about where it started, we should have argued it someday. I hope to have a time to correct my argument in days. --Aphaia 05:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Category:Seventh-day Adventist Church VfD nomination
I have moved your VfD nomination Votes for deletion/Seventh-day Adventist Church to Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Category:Seventh-day Adventist Church (adding the "Category" part) because there is a bug in the vfd-new template that doesn't create the correct title if the nominated page is not in the main article namespace. (I'm sure it's easy to fix, but no one has done it yet.)

Can you tell me how you edited the discussion page itself? I ask because I'm compiling details of where we're having problems, and however you did your edit, it ended up not showing your signature and timestamp in the nomination, but only in your vote after the "vote closes". Are you using the vfd-new2 template or manually creating the entire discussion? Doing the template version (which is the recommended process described in the new instructions) automatically creates a "vote closes" now (a neat trick from Cbrown1023), but requires us Wikiquote-VfD experts to remember to put a vote and signature inside the nomination text. (See how I did it for Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Template:Cfm.)
 * Thanks Jeff for your fixing and noticing me. I was not sure the ommision of namespace had been intended so left it then. Now I admit it would cause a confuse, and better to write up the deletion candidate in their full paths.
 * How I created it then ... perhaps I typed " my vote ~ ", since I had voted before "vote closed" once as well you had done in the vote above, and found it is less readable than the way we had employed before.
 * It would be nice if we have much closer instruction how we create a discussion page. --Aphaia 07:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course, we really need to document these and other tricks and changes. That's why I've postponed the end of the discussion on the new VfD system. Any information and comments you can provide will help us fine-tune the system. Thanks! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

No vandalism
These are false quotes made by a vandal i'm simply getting rid of the false statements check my edit summary --74.65.215.11 03:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You are invited to its talk and giving us evidences of your statement. Otherwise we have no clue if your claim is true. Thank you for your understanding. --Aphaia 06:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome. I "surf" around the Wikimedia projects quite a bit, and thought this would be a good name to use. ~ Silver Surfer 14:05, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Bot approvals and monitoring
I see at Bots that Chtit draco is unsure if he has approval to go ahead with the operation of DragonBot. As far as I know, you are the only Wikiquote sysop currently editing who has bot experience. I am reluctant to comment on bot activities after my embarrassing mistake with EssjayBot, so I'd like to ask you if I am understanding the process correctly.


 * 1) If someone requests bot approval, we check to ensure each of the conditions under "Policy" has been met.
 * 2) We may dig a little to see if there have been any problems with this bot or bot operator, just to be safe.
 * 3) If everything looks good, we can support approval

Here's where I'm really confused. We have so few participants here that "consensus" seems to be "no disapprovals". Fine. But then the bot operator must specifically request bot status from a bureaucrat. I see that when you approved LeonardoRob0t, you told LeonardoGregianin to post to Requests for bot status, even though we have a project bureaucrat (Kalki). I don't understand that. Is the problem that we don't have a Requests for bot status, or a section in Bots to allow explicit requests?

Anyway, once bot status is granted by whomever, the bot begins to operate. If there is a problem, it appears that the practice is to notify the operator by email (not talk page) so they will stop and fix it. For bots with emergency shut-off buttons, sysops can easily stop the bot, but (based on my experience with Essjay) I deduce that this should only be used if the bot operator does not respond to the email or fix the problem in some (hopefully very short) period of time.

For Wikiquote, I am concerned about two things with this stop-bot process:


 * An email notification is invisible to other editors, so no one knows if anyone has notified the bot operator. We don't have a large round-the-clock monitoring presence, so we can't just assume that someone will take care of this.


 * Talk page notification isn't very reliable unless we can be sure the operator regularly logs into their user account. Even if they do, with an edit rate of 10/minute, a bot can do a lot of damage in a short time (and that assumes that the bot isn't editing much faster than recommended).

If these are reasonable considerations, maybe we should allow sysops to stop bots immediately by emergency shut-off, without any prejudice against the bot operator (contrary to Essjay's expectations). It would be a concession to Wikiquote's much smaller sysop staff and relatively light participation. If so, I would think we would need to make this very clear for bot operators so they don't get mad and leave just because we can't monitor their activities very closely. Otherwise, it seems, we will need to increase our awareness and careful monitoring to be able to follow Wikipedia customs and practices.

Am I describing the situation correctly? If so, I will feel more comfortable about supporting and monitoring bot operation. If not, I guess I'd better learn more, because it seems we are going to need to have at least a few regular editors who know about bots. No single person should feel compelled to act on all bot questions just because they're the only ones comfortable with them. (We're supposed to be volunteers, after all. &#9786;) Thank you for your assistance. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it would simply my mistake to recommend m:RFP instead of talking to Kalki. We needn't to bother the editor. And I'm afraid you overlooked my experience. I don't have run a bot on Wikimedia project.

It is general problem if we can take "no objection" as a sign of approval ... the procedure you proposed seems to me quite nice and reasonable. And the most of bot operators have experienced of interaction with much smaller projects, we could expect they are tolerant to our slow reactions.

We are better perhaps to ask bot operators to run their bot without flags for days. One week test run would be okay .... then they are invited to submit bot flags, if want. I'll check our bot policy later, and consider what is the best for our current situation (the policy itself might be a bit outdated ... drafted two years before). --Aphaia 04:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Adding to Rainer Maria Rilke
Aphaia, I am also currently working on adding substantially to the Rainer Maria Rilke page, but I know that the quotes I have need to be fully sourced and sorted. I have created a sub-page to my user page, User:UDScott/Rilke in progress for this work in progress. If you have the correct source information (e.g. dates of letters included in the Selected Letters of Rainer Maria Rilke section or the chapters from the The Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigge section), I would appreciate your input. I also know that the many quotes that I have added to the Letters to a Young Poet section need to be properly sorted. I'll be working on this when I get a chance, but again, any help you could offer would be appreciated. Thanks! ~ UDScott 20:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Getting a mop
Yes, very happy to.--Poetlister 18:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Why?
I am curious to know why you reverted the quote I had posted on the "Environmentalism" page. Writtenright 03:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Writtenright

I'm still wondering
Aphaia-san:

I am still wondering why you reverted my addition to the "Environmentalism" page. I assume that there is a reason.Writtenright 18:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)Writtenright

Fain would I ken thine innermost design
Fain would I ken thine innermost design/ For having done thy bold deletion new;/ And, having lost fore'er a text of mine,/ I only seek to ken thy point of view./Writtenright 18:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)Writtenright

The writer, abject, plaineth for good cause
Thou mayst, as is thy wont, "revert", "delete"/ Those lines which thou thyself may deem not meet;/ But I do only beg for reason true,/ And that thou wouldst explain thy point of view./ Writtenright 06:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Writtenright

What fault, good sir?
I have my point of view, as thou hast thine,/ Regarding what be base and what be fine./ What fault, good sir, did lie within my text?/ I bid thee but explain, for I am vexed./ Writtenright 03:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Writtenright


 * Pray sir, fret not into a tizzy
 * Aphaia's, with divers wikis, busy
 * Nor might she kenn your fine rhymed line
 * As English b'not her favored wine
 * Some patience must we ask you please
 * Her native tongue is Japanese


 * So, in her stead, might I suggest
 * To cease this chat; be not a pest
 * Do not your reputation worsen
 * She gave her cause at "famous person"
 * Tho I had not agreed with that
 * I 'fessed reluctance to look at
 * The general bind of round'bout quote
 * Of bumper stickers others wrote


 * The wisest course to make your case
 * Is posting in the proper place
 * The talk page of the subject hence
 * Is where to 'scribe your evidence
 * And argue for the chosen quip
 * Then let the controversy rip
 * Or, failing that, a silent crowd
 * Would indicate the quote allow'd


 * In any case, to aid your task
 * Feel free, if any questions, ask
 * ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry for delay, I agree with Jeff on that user talk is not appropriate places to discuss this issue. It is better to go to the talk of article in question. I'll appreciate whoever will copy my own parts to the proper place. --Aphaia 12:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)