User talk:Ningauble/Archive 13

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Sumit Chowdhury
Hi Ningauble, could you give your feedback on the update of the article and comment I placed at Deletion review. Thank you. -- Mdd (talk) 12:57, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Mdd. Can you clarify one point before I comment there again: did you verify the quotation associated with his new book is actual text from the book rather than a synopsis about the book? ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:06, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Well to clarify, the problem from the start was that those quotes were not verifiable, and they still are not. If the book was online available and verifiable, I wouldn't have trimmed down the quotes from "Rules of the Game" (such as done here). To stipulate the fact that the text is from a prepublication, the attribution " Prepublications at rulesofthegame.in, 2014" was added (see here). If you think this is still not acceptable, you could improve it or (temporarily) move the quote back to the talk page. -- Mdd (talk) 11:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying that it has not been verified. I will think about composing a comment for the deletion review, to address this and other changes subsequent to the nomination, but I don't know if I will get to it today... ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:18, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Ningauble, if you are not going to comment anymore, I will close the Deletion review. -- Mdd (talk) 15:47, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Please wait, I am drafting it now. Also, as the principal contributor of content in the [//en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Sumit_Chowdhury&oldid=1754719 current article revision], I would suggest you leave the decision to someone more independent. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:19, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

"maximum of one quote for an 11 minute short feature"
I spent 3 days transcribing quotes and you deleted my entire first page? Where does this rule you quote come from, did you just make it up? TotesNeato (talk) 16:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Nobody has deleted Xavier: Renegade Angel, or any other page that you edited. I placed a checkcopyright notice on the article talk page because there seemed to be a lot of dialog transcribed for such a short format show, more than recommended at the draft Limits on quotations. I think the article could be improved by some judicious trimming, to showcase the most strikingly quotable bits. ~ Ningauble (talk) 12:37, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

RomaineCorbould
I see you have blocked that user, but I think you should also leave a note on his/her talk page. OccultZone (talk) 17:32, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It's just a spambot, the one known as NTSAMR. Attempts to communicate with them are futile. ~ Ningauble (talk) 12:55, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow.. OccultZone (talk) 17:53, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

interwiki
Aren't interwiki links handled automatically now by Wikidata? Or is this still necessary? ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It is unnecessary to enter the links here if they are entered at Wikidata, but it's not fully automatic: they have to be entered somewhere. I don't hang out at Wikidata, but I presume folks there prefer links be entered there, and there are bots that can sort them out. ~ Ningauble (talk) 12:59, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

hypocritical of you
to criticize Kalki for having driven a valuable editor away, when you yourself are doing the same now. ~ DanielTom (talk) 00:55, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * This complaint is too nonspecific to address. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:01, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Should read: have done, rather than are doing, unfortunately. Here's a nice quote: "every Wiki has those non-productive quality controllers who think the Wiki should be protected against the people who actually build it." But hey, at least it made you happy. ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:13, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I can only guess what you are referring to, and will not do so. I am quite willing to address any grievances you may wish to present about specific conduct on my part (please cite diffs). Otherwise, this sort of generalized expression of disaffection is unproductive. ~ Ningauble (talk) 20:42, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for all the "italic title" formatting additions which you have been adding to the pages — I had intended to do much the same thing once I found out how they worked, but simply have not had the time to do many, as yet. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 18:15, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Little by little.... ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:24, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Phoenix
Thanks for fixing that issue for me. This is my first visit to Wikiquote (won't be me last), and I was wondering about the anonymous quotes. I understand now not to do that. Question: I think I understand you moving the other quotes to the talk page, they are attributed, but don't have a citation, correct? Or is there another issue with them? Any help/advice is greatly appreciated. (btw, love your own quote about what a quote is... and I will quote you on that) Onel5969 (talk) 16:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Onel5969, welcome to Wikiquote. Yes, that is why I moved the unsourced attributions to the talk page. See the guideline at WQ:SAU. I removed the anonymous remarks without copying them to the talk page for a couple reasons: firstly, without even an attribution there is not much basis for trying to research them, and if they are just things heard on the street then there may be little prospect of ever finding them in print; and secondly, when we have had uncourced anonymousities in our articles, it has tended to enourage people to start adding things they just made up themselves. That said, some anonymous sayings are widely repeated in print. They can be included by citing noteworthy sources that attest to their fame. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of page due to 'unoriginal quote'
What if a quote is original?


 * Citing the original source of a famous quote is a good thing. See WQ:Q. Note that the principal reason your contribution was deleted[//en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&page=Nis+Arend] is because the quoted person/source does not appear to be notable. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:48, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Nerds article
I had read your reply on UDScott, although we had enough conversation there so I thought of bringing it here. I have created User:OccultZone/Nerd, you can check it. There are many quotes that are related with this particular word, I got about 12 but I am finding reliable sources. At least for now, 3 quotes might be enough for a article? OccultZone (talk) 12:48, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * This looks like the right sort of quotations generally but, if I may be a bit of a quotation nerd, the attribution to Bill Gates is not a reliable source. According to Snopes and Hoax-Slayer the actual author is Charles J. Sykes, and Wikipedia's article about Nerds mentions that the attribution to Gates is incorrect. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:46, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You are correct about Gates, please check the page again. OccultZone (talk) 18:09, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Nigel Blackwell
TY for the improvements, still learning, but puzzled as to why I'm redlinked on this page. Do I need to make a WQ acct or something, on top of my WP acct? All help welcome. Narky Blert (talk) 23:45, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It is a redlink because you have not created a userpage at Wikiquote. (Confused? You have a single unified login for all Wikimedia wikis, but at each wiki you effectively have a different account with its own "local" userpage.) If you want to avoid the redlink but do not want to author and maintain multiple userpages, then you could create a redirect by placing template on your Wikiquote userpage. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:07, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Meonian Lyre

 * That Alexander shall in you respire, Without envying the Meonian Lyre.

What does Meonian mean? (Homer's?) ~ DanielTom (talk) 01:57, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Meonia was the Homeric name for Lydia (or a people of that region whom scholars argue about). Homer himself is referred to as the Meonian Bard or the Blind Meonian. Poetic references to the Meonian Lyre indicate the epic renown of being sung by the great bard. Not envying the Meonian Lyre then means being worthy of praise by Homer himself. ~ Ningauble (talk) 12:15, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * P.S. As to whether Alexander envied the fame of Achilles et al., I leave the vanity of world-conquerors to the contemplation of poets. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:28, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I think Camoens was referring to himself: he would surpass Homer by singing the young King's expedition to North Africa, if successful. Unfortunately, urging King Sebastian to war (or crusade) against the Moors proved unwise: the King died (without heirs), and most of the Portuguese nobility was massacred, in the battle of Alcácer Quibir. (Portugal lost its independence, and was under Spanish rule for 60 years.) What's interesting is that Sebastian did choose two Portuguese poets to accompany him to Alcácer Quibir (to sing and immortalize his campaign), but Camoens was not one of them. The King preferred the rather mediocre poets, Diogo Bernardes and Luís Pereira Brandão. (I don't know how Camoens felt about this.) The two poets were captured in battle, but wrote while in prison. Brandão's poem (published 1588) is now completely forgotten; I tried reading some of it, but although it has 18 Cantos, it is very hard to find any true poetry in it (despite the rhymes, it reads like prose). Just one or two stanzas of Camoens are worth more than Brandão's entire poem. One can only imagine what majestic monument Camoens' imagination, knowledge, and enthusiasm would have produced, had he been chosen to be the Homer of the new Achilles. ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:21, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * (I was not going to comment on the vanity of poets.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:49, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

spam
The recent changes list is being completely flooded by spam. Maybe the filters need to be improved. (Are they up-to-date?) ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:41, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I have implemented a new filter for the most prolific spambot of recent days. (I worked on it yesterday but had some difficulty with the coding.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 11:29, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Pornography quote removed
Ningauble, Why did you remove the quote I put from porn star Brandon Iron onto the pornography page? This is an actual quote from a porn actor which demonstrates how evil and perverted the porn industry is. And it's an actual quote that can be sourced. This guy actually said to a teenage girl that he would "f... her like a baby." He's a mainstream porn figure who is all over the internet and he actually said this to somebody. In the light of that creep Max Hardcore going to prison for pseudo child pornography, how is this quote not relevant? Especially as a reflection of how socially irresponsible and abnormal porn really is? Why did you remove it? Sorry I wrote this here, I don't know how to start a new talk thing. Sorry I wrote those other things I was annoyed at you erasing the quote for no reason.


 * Quotemaaster, I removed [//en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Pornography&diff=1784977 this quote] because it is not expressly about the subject of the page. Being a quote from an industry production it may well exemplify some characteristic or attitude in the industry, but that is not the same thing as being the subject of the quote. ~ Ningauble (talk) 11:52, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Ningauble, Thankyou very much for your reasoned answer. That makes sense and I can see what you mean. Again I'm sorry for losing my cool. Respect sir, respect

Thanks much
Thank you for your recent helpful contributions to Bomis and Hitachi Magic Wand.

Most appreciated,

-- Cirt (talk) 17:59, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Question about editing
Greetings. You put a people-cleanup tag on a page I put up a year or so back, remarking, "footnotes are deprecated." I took a look at someone else quote-worthy, namely Mark Twain, and I see that citations on that page are linked inline to the external sources, rather than using reference tags as WP does. I'm assuming that's what you meant, that the citations should be inline in the text rather than footnoted in a reference section? Thanks for your help. --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 07:24, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, the citations go with the quotes, as is standard practice in printed compendia of quotations, rather than in footnotes. Unlike Wikipedia, where citations are supporting information, quotation is the main event here, and citation is integral to it. Citations for individual quotes are sub-bulleted immediately below each quote ("interlinear" citation); and for multiple quotes from a single work, grouped under one heading, citation details are placed immediately below the heading. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. I'm quite familiar with WP but not as familiar with how things are done over here. I'll start making those changes. Thanks again! --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 20:53, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've inline linked all the references on the page. --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 02:20, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Can tag be removed or have I missed something? --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 03:36, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Ellipses.
Encoding ellipses makes it easier to see where they are being used intentionally. I do not think that Wikipedia style recommendations carry over to this project - we have many other variations in style from Wikipedia. BD2412 T 16:11, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the rationale for the Wikipedia recommendation is a sound one. (Perhaps I am a bit old fashioned, having formed typographic habits before it was first added to HTML 4.0 in '97.) In particular, the rendering of the composite glyph (where it is recognized) is browser dependent and even varies by context in a single browser. In my current browser it looks okay in the body of an article, it is slightly stretched in "diff" mode, and in the edit window it is very miniscule, which I really do not like. I am not alone, as I distinctly recall other users "correcting" them by converting to three periods (but not in high volume assisted by automation). ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:28, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I would think that the benefit of that is that in the diff mode, you can clearly see that the character is an ellipsis. However, since you have brought it up, I have taken that change out of my formatting script. BD2412 T 18:31, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. (I think encodings that render consistently are best.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:58, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi Ningauble,

Thanks for editing the page I uploaded yesterday. Wanted to let you know that the publisher of my 20 books is working on the Wikipedia page to link to. I didn't realize I had put the egg before the chicken. Thanks again.


 * I assume you refer to the Bonnie Louise Kuchler article, created and edited by user BonnieKuchler while logged in. I want to let you know that you and your publisher might find it helpful to review Wikipedia's guidelines on Conflict of interest and Autobiography before attempting to write about yourself or your works. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:51, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

November 2014
One IP user (95.172.74.62) is trolling me, making outrageous claims he knows where I live and what disability I have. I request that you block him (and any other IP he uses) indefinitely. WikiLubber (talk) 19:00, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, but more importantly, I want any and all edit summary/summaries with an outrageous claim of knowledge of personal information (including the one the IP just mentioned) removed, lest anyone else finds out. WikiLubber (talk) 19:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)