Wikiquote:Village pump archive 60

Suggestions needed on two pages on same topic
We have w:2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest and w:2020 Indian agriculture acts two separate articles on the same topic that seems meaningful for Wikipedia. But, I wonder if we can have 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest and 2020 Indian agriculture acts two separate Wikiquotes pages for, as far as I can think, both of them will perhaps have the same quotes on the same topic, or not? Lightbluerain (talk) 18:53, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I think they can be merged into the acts page. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Koavf, act wasn't as popular as the protest. And, I too think perhaps merging is the only option. Thanks. Lightbluerain (talk) 18:40, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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Community Wishlist Survey 2022
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Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election 2022 - Call for Election Volunteers
Is anyone here interested in finding out more about what is happening outside our WQ borders?

If so, I saw a posting by User:Xeno (WMF) asking for "Election Volunteers" on another wmf wiki. See: Colloquium Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 12:52, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, see below for more information. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

"See also" policy/guidelines?    UDScott, Kalki & Ottawahitech
This may be of interest to Kalki also & Ottawahitech who have also undone some of my attempts to contribute to the "see also" section on other pages. Revised WeNotMeC020 (talk) 18:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)WeNotMeC020 (talk) 21:28, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Re: See also * Famine * Hunger * Scarcity -- removed by User:UDScottHello UDScott. Sorry for the confusion! 1)If there is a policy page on the topic of the "See also" section, please let me know where to find it, as I have looked more than once with negative results.2)To explain, I  put those three topics there because i believe they are very related/connected to the topic of Abortion. Apparently around 30,000 people die of hunger every single day of the week (mostly children under 14) due to scarcity of food or of money to buy it. Seems that many people who are researching Abortion on WQ, may not be aware of the problems of hunger/famine/scarcity - all of which are known to cause a huge amount of needless suffering. Unlike abortion those topics are generally not controversial or at least much less controversial.  An abortion probably takes less than 30 minutes, while starvation may take years.  It widely known that inability to get abortions can and does result in more children dying of hunger/malnutrition than would otherwise.  It  seems very, very cruel to let children die of hunger - especially in this world where tons of food (and birth control) sits rotting in warehouses. Even more when one considers  the advancement of our technological & transport/distribution capabilities in the last 30 years - that would make it much easier than ever to end those horrors. It also seems that many very good, dedicated humanitarians, who are dedicated to outlawing abortions, apparently know little or nothing about hunger and famine.Also one could say that Wikiquotes is like a free cafe serving information. Adding relevant items to the menu, doesn't cost a cent, but can be very valuable in our 'customers' searches for information. When people say, 'I don't see how those topics are related to the topic', the most useful reply from my corner might be something like "and you won't see  any relevance, unless and until you do further research & think about your findings'.  People can't be forced to think of course, but it seems helpful for all editors so inclined, to encourage people to move in that direction.  So en sum: Those three topics were placed there thinking they may be helpful topics of interest to some of the people visiting to read, learn and get a broad overview of the problem.  Seems that better rounded, more thoroughly informed people will form more logical and helpful opinions & views,  which are sure to lead us to more peaceful world. As Julian Assange has pointed out, we have to know the whole truth about issues to solve them. Lopsided views result in lobsided results.  Not arguing or complaining, just explaining.
 * Obviously there appears to be some confusion on this topice so at your earliest convenience Please give a professional WQ bureaucrat's opinion/ruling ie guidelines for "See also" - if such doesn't already exist (and if something like that does exist, please excuse me for failing to find it). Thank you very much!


 * Thanks very much folks for your tolerance!

*Relevant Older discussions
 * Please avoid using "see also" sections to duplicate what already exists through the category system or through links in the quotations themselves. 73.71.251.64 02:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * @ 73.71.251.64: Why not duplicate what already exists through the category system? Ottawahitech (talk) 21:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * hi @ 73.71.251.64: Thank you for expressing your view on the 'see also' links and for your cooperation with and concern for wikiquotes. It seems that many relevant topics/links are not easily found thru the category system. Relying solely upon the category system would be one way to slow the process of learning for many people. Why make it harder than it has to be? Why not make it kind and thoughtful with relevant links at the viewers fingertip, like items on a menu? If visitors understand the category system - and prefer that, it is a click away. Seems that the ~prime objective of making the existing vast pool of information available to as many as possible for the good of our world, seems to be helped by adding relevant links in "see also". Editors who have a deeper than average understanding of a topic, can help enrich WQ & serve the public by adding links to pages relevant to the subject (many of which are definitely not to be found found quickly by digging in the category system). "See also" can help some readers get a broader view of the topic much faster than they might otherwise. We want to help people learn by making the process as thorough and easy as possible right? Seems that we editors should do everything reasonable in our power to accommodate the massive range of visitors/readers from those who read very little to those who can't get enough to read, from those who are just learning English to those who speak it fluently. What do you think?
 * All that said, if there is a Wiki policy in place or consensus recorded and accepted by WQ management that regulates, forbids, or discourages using "see also" sections, please share it here. Thanks again for your participation & cooperation in this great endeavor!. WeNotMeC020 (talk) 17:26, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

The primary issue is how seriously we take our chosen obligations to people in the developing world... Wikipedia as a readable product is not for us. It's for them. It's for that girl in Africa who can save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people around her, but only if she's empowered with the knowledge to do so...'''
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 * Jimmy Wales

WeNotMeC020 (talk) 18:29, 15 January 2022 (UTC)edited WeNotMeC020 (talk) 18:37, 15 January 2022 (UTC)removed dupicated text


 * @WeNotMeC020, I fixed the links to the userpages of the concerned users in your message. But, perhaps I didn't sign after I pinged them, they wouldn't get notified even now. So, you can ping them separately if you feel the need. Lightbluerain (talk) 18:49, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This is very long. Can you tell me in one or two setences what this is about? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll explain it:
 * Abortion Article
 * 1. WeNot adds hunger, famine, scarcity, and starvation to the See also section of the Abortion article.
 * 2. UDScott reverts, saying "Not sure what these topics have to do with Abortion - See also links should have some direct connection to a page's topic."
 * Abortion Talk Page
 * 3. WeNot explains on the talk page.
 * 4. Binksternet reverts, saying " revert off-topic sermonizing."
 * 5. Stryknin reverts Binksternet, without edit summary.
 * 6. WeNot removes talk page post, saying "Moved to 53 'See also' policy/guidelines? UDScott, Kalki & Ottawahitech"
 * 7. WeNot posts here.
 * - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 16:03, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know that there is a policy page on WQ about this specific topic, but we have always limited this section to links to pages that are relevant to a given page. This is also how Wikipedia has always treated it ("The links in the "See also" section should be relevant, should reflect the links that would be present in a comprehensive article on the topic, and should be limited to a reasonable number." from w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout). To have it any other way doesn't really make sense to me - the name itself implies that one should look at another page in addition to the one they are currently viewing because it bears some relevance. Otherwise, if the intent you have is merely to highlight interesting pages in which a reader might have some interest (but bear no relationship the current page) the section would appear to be misnamed. It is similar to other discussions about the placement of images on pages - we have maintained that any images placed on a page should have a relevance to the topic of the page. It is the same IMHO for links in the See also section - they should have a direct relationship to the topic as well. ~ UDScott (talk) 02:10, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * WeNotMeC020 would, no doubt, beg to differ. I do too (see WeNotMeC020's tl;dr post above: "inability to get abortions can and does result in more children dying of hunger/malnutrition than would otherwise"). That said, the relevance is too remote to justify adding the links to a Wikiquote article that consists solely of quotes about abortion (as opposed to, for example, a Wikipedia article discussing the effect of abortions). Note to WeNotMeC020: when adding a See also that is not clearly related to the article you would do well to include a snippet of text explaining the relevance. - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 03:28, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Butwhatdoiknow for summarizing this, and for your informative comments as well. Onward! WeNotMeC020 (talk) 17:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @UDScott for the information & for your time. The information in the manual of style as well as your comments all sound very reasonable and are much appreciated! WeNotMeC020 (talk) 17:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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I am going to be away on business for the next week or thereabouts. I expect everyone to be on their best behavior while I'm gone, and please try to finish assembling all the quotes by the time I get back. Cheers! <font style="background:#F2E6CE">BD2412 T 07:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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Wiki Loves Folklore is extended till 15th March
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Request for adminship on Wikiquote (User: Ferien)
For your information an election for a new administrator for Wikiquote (WQ) is currently taking place. If you would like to participate or simply observe just click: WQ:Requests for adminship/Ferien. So far only admins and a member of the SWMT (Small Wiki Monitoring Team) have "voted" in this election which is open to all community members (I think?). WQ has 14 admins and had less than 500 active registered users (one or more edits) in January 2022.

According to WQ:RFA: "Current English Wikiquote policy is to grant administrator status to anyone who has been an active Wikiquote contributor for a while and is generally a known and trusted member of the community." Ottawahitech (talk) 06:34, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Several improvements around templates
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Question:Images on content pages
Not everyone reading this “compendium of quotes” has a high speed internet connection and a lot of memory on the device they use to access WQ. Is there a limit to the number of images allowed on content pages? If so, should the limit be dIfferent for different types of pages?

I am sure this topic has already been discussed on WQ-VP before, however, due to my laziness I would to ask if there has ever been thought given to the practice of adding a vast amount of images to content pages created on WikiQuote (WQ). The problem I see (I am not an expert) is that the more images on a page the slower it is to load. Thanks in advance for your participation, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No, there really has not been an established limit. But I will also say that under your Preferences, in the Gadgets section, there is a check box to 'Hide thumbnail images' precisely for the reason of someone having a slow connection - this eliminates the loading of images on pages. This might help. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

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Technical question: creating new content pages
One of the first things many WQ editors do before creating a new page of quotations is check to see what information can be found on other wmf-wikis on the subject. Existing content pages on Wikiquote (WQ) can be easily linked to their counterpart on Wikidata (WD) by clicking on the term Wikidata item under the Tools  heading in the left hand menu all WQ pages. A (linked) list of such wmf-wikis can be found a at the bottom of each WD item.

Can a similar link to WD be provided for a WQ page that has not yet been created (a WQ redlink)? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:28, 4 March 2022 (UTC)


 * No, there's no way to link Wikidata items to pages that don't exist. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:05, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

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 * Has anyone voted? Ottawahitech (talk) 19:18, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

confused
How do you make something notable enough so it could go on wikiquote? ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 23:32, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Have you seen Notability? That is a start, but the fact is, we haven't progressed very much as a project in terms of bringing structure to this quotation reference work. The German Wikiquote has a requirement that any quotations need to themselves be quoted in reliable and notable third party sources, which I think is a pretty good standard and one that I try to replicate with many quotations I add here by citing the original and tertiary sources. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:20, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * See also WQ:WQ. A bit of history regarding structure here. - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 16:26, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I am also confused. What does quotability have to do with notability? Notability determines whether a page on a topic should be created in the first place, and quotability determines which quotes can be included in an existing page. I think? Ottawahitech (talk) 17:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH thank you that clears my confusion. ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 19:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Alexei Navalny quote page
I noticed that the entire "quotes about" section of the Alexei Navalny page was entirely based on lengthy quotes from obscure partisan publications, saying that he is corrupt or involved in shadowy conspiracies. I wonder whether the page has been vandalized by a pro-Putin propagandist. I am sure that some people really have said negative things about Navalny, but it seems to stretch credulity that nobody ever said anything nice about Vladimir Putin's most famous domestic critic. Thank you very much for considering this concern! --


 * Thank you for notifying us. Besides the situations around Mr. Navalny, and ongoing things in Russia and around, that kind of edits isn't be compatible with our WQ:BLP. I'll give a look to that article. --Aphaia (talk) 02:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up. I did not know that there was an official WQ policy regarding Biography of Living People. Time to check it out! Ottawahitech (talk) 14:55, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

on not only non-notable, but also unreliable publification/organization
In relation to the section on the above, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity seems a self-promotion of a conspiracy group to me. We have an established policies to deal with this kind? --Aphaia (talk) 03:44, 14 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Please spend at least 2 or 3 minutes researching that group, before jumping to an unfounded conclusion that they are a conspiracy group. A look at the wikipedia page, or a bing or  google search on Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity  (VIP) could give you a more informed perspective.  Many of the former officers of the United States Intelligence Community in that group, have valuable insight to offer. Also, excuse me, but it does seem very hypocritical for you who appear to be pushing your own POV, to delete so much properly attributed material that libraryclerk191  posted. Agree that some of that (like on Zelensky) probably should have been deleted, but you deleted many more documented & relevant quotes that fit in quite well & helped me and others I know to get a more rounded view of the topics. Also, Aphaia it seems that you stooped quite low when you banned wikipedia editor libraryclerk0191 for a year, apparently without any warning and apparently no previous "offenses". I searched throughly & could find none whatsover, or is that the way present sytem works? <BR>BTW - Isn't there a rule that wikipedians are to assume that their colleagues are working with good intentions in good faith? Did you decide that wasn't the case in that situation or  are able to pick and choose which rules to follow? Thanks 2800:B20:111A:25B4:8545:A814:198C:7E7A 03:09, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

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Dilemma: attributing work to globally banned user
I would like to put a table that contains useful information on my userpage, but I have a dilemma. Sometime ago I was advised that interacting with a globally banned user is a sanctionable offense, but could not any documentation saying so anywhere in wmf-land. The table was created years ago by a banned user.

Since I seem to be a magnet for all sorts of blockable offences, I am hesitant to proceed. I would like to ascertain that posting a table created by a globally banned user is not a sactionable offence, and would appreciate the community’s thoughts on this matter. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:06, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't think it's a problem. Is there anything in the table that relates to why the person was banned? I'm guessing not. (Also I don't think that "interacting with a globally banned user" is sanctionable, unless there is proxying involved.) We often allow occasional good edits by bad actors, although it is useful for a user in good standing to put a "null edit" on top, or else revert and replace under the non-banned person's identity. Also, not all WMF-banned users are equal: sometimes people get banned for the way they treat others, not the content of their edits. Others are incapable of any collaborative venture at all (I can think of a current example we've been seeing every day for a while now). Anyway I think you're fine. Curious to know what others think. Antandrus (talk) 22:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Speaking as an admin, I cannot imagine why you would be banned for this. Note also that tables of factual information are not subject to copyright, so it's entirely possible that depending on the contents of this table, it's not something that requires attribution anyway. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:33, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for the vote of confidence (I think?). Unfortunately it appears no one else will stick their necks out? Ottawahitech (talk) 20:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the problem is. Please give attribution if it's required. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ottawahitech, as a veteran editor I assure you it has not been the way of us, English Wikiquote community, to delete all past contributions of projectwide banned users just because these editors are permanently banned from editing this project. As for other projects, we ordinarily wouldn't dig much deeper. If WMF intervenes legally, or we notice serious concerns such as law enforcement involved, the story went and will go differently, but hopefully you don't argue such a case? :-) --Aphaia (talk) 07:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Update on Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement guidelines ratification vote (as of 18 March)
Dear all,

About 11 days ago the ratification voting for the Enforcement Guidelines of the UCoC started. There are three more days left before the voting closes. So far, 1569 voters from across several projects have cast their votes.

Out of the 26 eligible voters on En Wikiquote, none of these have cast their vote yet. If you haven’t voted, now is the time. Please vote or share your feedback on the guidelines from the perspective of this project here

Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 15:32, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

WQ pushing pro-western POV, severely unbalanced
Clearly WQ is pushing the mainstream, u.s. government's version of the current world conflict between the USA & Russia. Apparently attempts to provide balance with sourced quotations from notable people, that  tell Russia's side of the story, including the ways that China, and other Russian allies see it are ignored, or apparently not allowed. That's a great way to dumb down & mislead the people who come to WQ for information, for truth. Gauging from the main page's quotes of the day, Hitler's Big Lie propaganda strategy is at work at WQ and in the MSM like never before. Quotations that indicate that well informed people of Russia & her allies view Russia's actions as an attempt to end the war, war crimes & crimes against humanity that started in Ukraine in 2014 are apparently not allowed. In the view of many, the US orchestrated coup against Ukraine's Russia friendly president and the installation of a cia controlled actor/puppet in 2014 was actually when this war started. Ukraine has in the last 8 years constantly shelled the Donbass region of Ukraine & killed over 14,000 there, because they were unable to support the US installed, anti-russian appointees.<BR>The USA's big lie, is that Putin is a monster... guilty as charged with no trial or hearing that might explain the history, Putin's attempts to join NATO, to befriend the West, Putin's warnings re: Nato expansion with lines drawn in the sand, the USA's provocations, how President Putin and millions of others see it are not available here. It seems that the scholars and Russia experts in the USA & all around the world agree that the USA was provoked and that the USA, despite the information blackout in the MSM -are screaming that Putin is the villain - the pot calling the kettle black. WQ is urged not to violate it's own rules by siding with, what history has shown to be - an empire based on lies, that began with genocide against the Native Americans & slavery. The truth will set us free from permanent hostilities intentionally maintained to keep the people divided, the ruling elite in power, and the war bucks flowing. WQ should welcome conflicting POVs from people on all sides of conflicts. 2800:B20:111A:25B4:94FD:A844:10E4:7845 15:58, 19 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Prior to writing this wall of text, did you read Neutral point of view? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Koavf for providing the link to the policy on NPOV.
 * When I first arrived a WQ a couple of years ago I received the usual wall-of-text welcome message which told me to be BOLD, so I dove right in. Now I welcome and appreciate any tidbit of information that previous generations of editors made available to us. Ottawahitech (talk) 02:50, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @ 2800:B20:111A:25B4:94FD:A844:10E4:7845,
 * Re: WQ should welcome conflicting POVs from people on all sides of conflicts
 * I believe that most active participants on WQ welcome conflicting POVs from all sorts of people. Yes it is true that due to the shortage of participants on this project some pages do not get the optimum attention, but we have to do the best we can with what we have. Any ideas on how to fix this? Ottawahitech (talk) 02:32, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Just to add, I believe one way some participants at WQ have been getting around the NPOV policy is using images that give prominence to a certain POV. Ottawahitech (talk) 14:38, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

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Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 11:40, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Kyiv vs. Kiev
While I know that there is some edit-warring going on right now centered around the correct name for this Ukrainian city, I thought maybe we could discuss it here instead. To me, the name preferred by Ukrainians (and which appears to be adopted by many Western media outlets now) is Kyiv. To that end I, for one, would recommend its use in describing the city. That being said, where it gets more difficult is when the city's name is within a quote. In this case, I would recommend that whatever spelling was used in the original quote be used - as with anything else, we should not seek to change the quote simply because preferences have changed. To me this is a compromise that could work. Any thoughts from others? ~ UDScott (talk) 20:45, 21 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Uncoincidentally I was just thinking about the same thing, and I agree. Let's use 'Kyiv' except where it is within a quote (keep the original spelling). Antandrus (talk) 20:56, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * And add -- I would suggest applying the same rule to other Ukraine places (Dnipro vs Dnepropetrovsk, Odesa vs Odessa, etc.) Antandrus (talk) 20:57, 21 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The practice at WQ is to follow in the footsteps of enwiki, I think?


 * If so, enwiki has been using Kyiv since 2019 2020 following an exhaustive Request For Comment . The community consensus at enwiki on this last RFC, was to switch from Kiev to Kyiv. So, I vote Kyiv, but only in situations where the city's name is not in a direct quote.


 * BTW @UDScott, thanks for bringing this issue to the Village Pump, I was not aware of this edit-warring on WQ. Ottawahitech (talk) 13:12, 23 March 2022 (UTC) updated (correct link to follow) Ottawahitech (talk) 14:35, 24 March 2022 (UTC)


 * No problem - and I think we are in agreement - I would use 'Kyiv' except when 'Kiev' is used within a documented quote. The problem in the latest edit war seems to be that any use of 'Kiev', whether or not it is from a documented quote, appears to be unacceptable to some users. ~ UDScott (talk) 13:46, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * FYI I just discovered Category:People from Kiev. Ottawahitech (talk) 20:11, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I moved these over to the proper category and made this a redirect. ~ UDScott (talk) 12:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work, UDScott. And also for pointing it up. I fully support we use Kyiv overall, except documented quotations which each their original author/speaker has shown their own wording which we'd greatly esteem. --Aphaia (talk) 07:24, 29 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Kyiv obviously, except in quotes where the spelling used in the quote should be kept. Kyiv is by far the common name here, and we should use that. That said, the edit warring that has been going on has been due to the banned LTA who has been targeting this project lately.  Java Hurricane  13:40, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Request a protect on this page
Torture, an LTA kept edit-warring against common editors on this page. Please give a semi-protect to this page, many thanksPavlov2 (talk) 03:39, 23 March 2022 (UTC)


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Leadership Development Working Group: Apply to join! (14 March to 10 April 2022)
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Should a list of WQ-admins be included in our welcome message?
I know many wikquotians participate or have participated in other wmf-wikis. When I visit foreign-wikis I always like to ascertain that the admins there are the friendly sort, so as not to get into trouble (yes I know I am  paranoid:-) When I first started dabbling at Commons the welcome message I recieved included a link to the list of all Commons admins. This also came in handy later when I needed to contact a friendly Admin.

Does the WQ community believe we should add such a link to our standard welcome message? Thanks in advance for any thoughts you have. Ottawahitech (talk) 19:03, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Honestly saying, I forgot why we include them. I also forget it was written prior to the creation of WQ:AN or not. There would have been a historical reason I hope, or not from the first time. Anyway if you think it's now redundant, be bold. --Aphaia (talk) 07:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Another reason is: Frequent participants need to know where they can get answers to common questions (not everybody likes to use the Village Pump). Some of the best advice can be found on the user-talk pages of the more active admins. Comments? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:51, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Question about & page & quotes about living people
Hello Wikiquote editors: Could one of the admins please take a look at:  Mafia state  & let me know if it looks ok? and if not, what needs to be changed? Any suggestions? The sources referenced have potentially embarrassing and/or incriminating information about living people, but in the WQ page, their names were obscured in an effort to avoid breaking any rules. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. All the best, AB2022 Alphabravo2022 (talk) 03:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I've done some cleanup to the page - I sorted the quotes by the authors. I also started to work on the individual quotes, but further cleanup is necessary. The names should not be removed from quotes (or abbreviated). Also, some of the "quotes" are entire paragraphs from an article, with mixed quotes by individuals and reporting by the article's author. I would not mix the two. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:48, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks a million! Cleaned it up & removed the clean up flag. P.S. If anyone notices mistakes i make or have made, please feel free to let me know. Prefer to do things right the first time but...  Advice from those who know better, will always be appreciated here. --Alphabravo2022 (talk) 21:58, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

where
so I have a question, so like I just got banned on Wikimedia Commons, and Wikipedia for no reason at all? but basically where would I ask why I was banned?
 * Wikipedia is published in 300 languages, but you aren't banned on the English one. You were blocked on Commons due to a CheckUser investigation. Have you used a different screen name while editing WMF projects? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I accidently made another account, that's it. ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 23:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * My sister made ProtonShort ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 23:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Everyone makes mistakes. If you somehow made two accounts and maybe you forgot your previous password, etc., then the solution is to try to use the original account and not use this one. Do you need help with that? Did you use the ProtonShort account or did only your sister use it? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * My sister uses ProtonShort but "The Health Inspector" is the account I accidently made ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 23:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. So I recommend that you only use one account (this is a requirement). If you want to use your original account, but you want it renamed, that can also be done on our sister project Meta-Wiki. Do you want to rename your original account? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The account I'm using is my original account, I think I'll keep my account name the same, but like is there a way to delete "The Health Inspector" the account I accidently created? ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 00:03, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. I recommend that you go to m:Steward requests/Username changes and explain that, so that your two accounts can be merged. This will keep you from having any of these further blocks. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't want this account renamed because it's kind of funny, my sister is younger than me so she's ProtonShort and I'm older than her, so I'm ProtonLong. ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 00:07, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * So like, could you give me a little example of what I would put there? ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 00:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You could write: "Please see this thread: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Village_pump#where. Sorry, but I need help getting unblocked on Wikimedia Commons because I was confused about creating alternate accounts. Please help me. Thanks." —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That's actually really helpful thank you! ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 00:23, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * One last question, how would I fill out this:
 * === Oldname ===
 * ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 00:26, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * status = don't change / domain = global / Oldname = the first account you registered / Newname = the second account you registered / reason = the message that I wrote above. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:28, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you! ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 00:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I sent it. ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 00:37, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I sent it. ProtonLong Me (speak to me) 00:37, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Quote of the day: Suggest it be neutralized or temporarily discontinued
Hello Co-workers: I am writing to suggest that the quote of the day be transformed in one way or another. I am suggesting two possibilities:
 * 1) Become neutral, rather than pushing a POV; or
 * 2) Discontinue that space temporarily.
 * Apparently ALL the quotes used there since the conflict has been presented as "the big news of the day", have been 100% supportive of the western mainstream/corporate "narrative" (POV) which largely consists of emotionally provocative, unproven accusations - made by politicians, the main stream media, and apparently public relations firms, many of whom, arguably have histories of dark deception - for the sake of money and power, and "freedom" not for and by the people, but for money worshippers, despicable tyrants, war profiteers, some of whom,  appear to be genuine enemies of truth & democracy.  The way  the quote of the day  feature has been used lately demonstrates perfectly, to my mind - an extreme example of pushing a POV - to the exclusion of all others, and that does not seem right or good. Some would view such views expressed there as fanatical blatherings.  With all due respect, I am not questioning the intentions of the one who selects & publishes those quotes. Clearly many very good people accept without question what they hear, when it is repeated non-stop. They can't be blamed. Still, there are historical precedents (like Germany ~80 yrs ago) that we should/must learn from - if we want to move forward. Certain things can not/should not be swept under the rug. Sometimes the bull must be taken by the horns.  As it is & has been since the conflict replaced corona virus as 'the top disturbing news story' of the day, the situation at Wikiquotes of the day makes one wonder, is the basic mainstream narrative: (Zelenskyy is good; Putin is bad) reflective of the view of the entire group here? Do all of us hate  & distrust Mr. Putin, while worshipping & believing without question the words of Mr. Zelenskyy?   We should seek the truth and question what we're told.  We should not behave like mindless parrots.  We should follow the rules here, we should strive to avoid hypocrisy!  We should be bold, open minded, and skeptical of what we hear from war profiteers & people with documented, questionable histories. When we see editors ignoring or overlooking the rules of this project, we should speak up -with the goal of improving this operation. Some say the good thing about conflicts, is that when they are handled intelligently,  they lead to better understanding & harmony.   That's my 2 cents.  Your thoughts?  Thank you & best wishes. Alphabravo2022 (talk) 16:41, 6 April 2022 (UTC)


 * No one can predict what quotes will be on WQ. You can help by adding quotes that you believe should be included, and you can participate in choosing the QOTD, I think? Ottawahitech (talk) Ottawahitech (talk) 17:02, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you seriously think so? Surely you jest! :-) Alphabravo2022 (talk) 14:38, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * No jest. The same works for democracy: if no one votes democracy does not exist. Ottawahitech (talk) 14:52, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That sounds very nice, however for some analysts/truth seekers, "democracy"  is an untried concept in the west. There are many good reasons to believe our system is run by, despite all the contradictory hype, a totalitarian regime, cleverly disguised as a democracy.  As far as voting goes, in a nation that many with an abundance of good reasons, also view the totalitarian regime as a mafia state, our votes don't really matter in the 'important' elections, as long as totally insane madmen (and their  minions) are counting the votes in their dream world version of reality. That's a macro of the micro - where here, admins who "know" that their views (& whatever stories CNN & MSNBC are pushing) are correct, aim to systematically eliminate all dissent -by hypocritically charging those who dare to disagree with the "official narrative" with pushing POVs & being propaganda agents for Russia. :-) Maybe an honest mistake, maybe not. In any event, that too, as they say will pass. Evolution, like truth is coming, & can't be stopped. Even when 500 people believe a sack full of lies, they are still lies.  Only  by facing the truth will we make progress. That is inevitable. :-) Alphabravo2022 (talk) 15:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Alphabravo2022 I am not sure what you mean by our system is run by, despite all the contradictory hype, a totalitarian regime, cleverly disguised as a democracy.
 * Whose system are you referring to? Surely not the United States'? After all WQ is a resource for all people of the world? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 20:13, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

This thread gives interesting insight into the now-blocked sockmaster behind Alphabravo. They saw themselves as outshouted by bad people, so they came to Wikiquote to shout their own point of view. For example, by adding six different quotes from Philip Giraldi to the Jeffrey Epstein article, all of them claiming that Epstein was a spy for Israel. They skillfully used images to call attention to their claims, presented as facts. I am glad they are gone, but the cleanup continues. HouseOfChange (talk) 13:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey HouseOfChange: Giraldi is  a widely known & respected former CIA agent who is doing the best  he can with what he's got.  Your attempts to belittle him and others is just POV pushing. You Can't elevate yourself by trying to put others down.  24.214.70.31 16:21, 22 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @HouseOfChange, There has been a fair amount of discussion on WQ:AN about this "now-blocked sockmaster". However, it appears that the determination of this user's sockmaster status, was done behind closed doors with no input from the WQ community, I think? Also unfortunately I cannot even include a diff to this discussion at AN, maybe someone else here can? Ottawahitech (talk) 17:39, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Stewards tell us that the same IP address signed into more than one account--that's socking, if done deceptively, as it was. The IP information is "behind closed doors" to protect the sockmaster's privacy. If you want to propose some new rules about how socks should be looked for and blocked, why not start a section about that here at Village Pump? HouseOfChange (talk) 19:00, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @HouseOfChange, Do you honestly believe it is good policy to silence those you disagree with, instead of allowing them to have their say? Please click on User:24.214.70.31 who posted a message right above your message and tell me why they were blocked. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 03:52, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Please AGF. The policy on sockpuppets is clear, and I support it. Editors are here to work on a project. Disruptive and deceptive editors make the project worse for everybody. There is much wisdom at w:WP:ISNOT: "Wikipedia is not an anarchy or a forum for free speech...Wikipedia is not a democracy...Wikipedia is not a battleground." Of COURSE the sockmaster claims they were blocked for their opinions but, in fact, they are lying. People don't get a permanent block for POV-pushing, adding dodgy sources, etc. People do get a permanent block for socking. HouseOfChange (talk) 14:40, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I have no particular interest in judging anyone's actions in this dispute, however for the record, sockpuppet investigations can be inconclusive. I'm assuming you all know that IP addresses are quite often shared and that psychologically profiling accounts in an attempt to establish shared patterns in their behavior is a social science; it's not the smoking gun of finding matching alleles in two DNA samples using DNA profiling, it's more like stop and frisking everyone above or below a certain height of weight (or most likely skin tone), because you don't care if you get it wrong more often than right, as long as you eventually get it right. What part of that description of this process makes it sound like it is infallably accurate or that the stewards would agree with eachothers' interpretations of findings 100% of the time? I'm surprised there's no Rational Wiki article explaining the amount of guesswork involved in the science of sockpuppet investigations. I have had dozens of accounts falsely attributed to me that suggest my only interests in editing wikis consist of adding categories to obscure Japanese anime and video games, it would seem that not once do these accounts ever add anything non fictional, which is what the majority of my edits across the non comedy wikis consist of. I transcribe Google Books and scientific journals to create gigantic additions to Wikiquote pages for incredibly controversial topics like abortion, do you have any idea how long these pages take to create? Where would I find the additional time to be wasting edit warring over which categories to add to a cartoon when editing Wikiquote takes me hundreds of hours? I'm a former administrator on Uncyclopedia, does it really seem like vandalism is my idea of a good joke? I am the leading contributor to abortion topics on Wikiquote, so trust me, I understand the desire to maintain people's privacy (and safety), however I would argue from my own experience, that at their worst, sock puppet investigations rely on unfalsifiable claims of identity fraud and propogate a form of digital Fregoli delusion. Also, FYI, people can get a permanent block for socking; it's not a guarantee, I'm not sure what justification Kalki uses for having had multiple accounts or why that is considered different from socking, but if you would like to attempt to have Kalki blocked, either over past sock puppeting or over the current state of the QotD (QotD being the original subject of this thread), than I would recommend making that intention clear and formally declaring it. Who knows, it could work. CensoredScribe (talk) 15:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , that IP was blocked by me as it was clearly block evasion. --Ferien (talk) 18:00, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , why did you put now-blocked sockmaster in inverted commas? It's not an opinion, it's been confirmed. The user had made thousands of POV edits on many accounts that the community is now having to cleanup (Administrators' noticeboard). Just because the checkuser data wasn't shown to the community - which it never would be by the way, even if we had checkusers of our own - doesn't mean the blocks were done without cooperation from the community or that they are entirely invalid. The Libraryclerk0191 was already blocked for a while before the investigation and using other accounts to evade blocks isn't acceptable, especially continnuing the behaviour that they were blocked for. --Ferien (talk) 17:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Selected pages: Alien
Considering the 1979 film Alien has more published research papers written about it than any other film, and is otherwise regularly listed in numerous internet article film rankings, would it be appropriate to add to the main page? When I asked for Game of Thrones to be added to the entries for television there was no debate regarding its overwhelming popularity, so I'm assuming a similar lack of conflict regarding this undisputable pop culture phenomenon. CensoredScribe (talk) 00:44, 7 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @CensoredScribe I never(?) looked at the Main page, at least not the part that is below the wq:QOTD. Looking forward to any comments by others. Ottawahitech (talk) 14:56, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That's not surprising, other than the QotD the only other part of the main page that changes on a regular basis is the new pages, everything else moves at a glacial pace: if I'm not mistaken my asking for the addition of Game of Thrones to the list of selected pages for television is probably the last change made to any of the selected pages lists. I have no particular interest in watching GoT, and could probably write a doctoral thesis elaborating why, however I recognize the fact that "For the record, if the Game of Thrones audience made up a country, it would be 62nd most populated in the world.", so I wouldn't argue that it shouldn't be included on the list, though I might want to add The Wire and Breaking Bad. I prefer to justify my contributions through largely uncontested statistical figures such as impact factor: here are two articles from 2012 and 2015 which attempt to determine the most academically referenced works of film and television, “Which Pop Culture Property Do Academics Study the Most?” and “Which Sci-Fi Films Get Cited in Research?”, I’m assuming the rankings are still more or less accurate, and that Alien and Buffy the Vampire Slayer are the most referenced film and TV show in academic journals. CensoredScribe (talk) 22:49, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Tips needed: Finding sources for a particular quote made by a particular person
Today I discovered a little WQ-gem that I had never seen before. Normally I would have just moved on and not stopped by to see if the page had interesting quotes. But this one has only one quote. It is not an w:wp:orphan, but according to its pageview statics it is not widely visited.

Make a long story short, I really liked the one quote and decided to look for more quotes by and about the same subject.

WQ is usually a good source for quotes in my experience, and so are other wmf wiki-sisters. But today I decided to see what google had to offer: clicked the website at the top of the google-list, chose the top quote on the page and tried to add it to our WQ page. This website did not provide any backup info such as date etc, but since I liked this quote so much I decided to add it hoping someone else would find the missing info, if not today, then maybe a few years from now. Lo and behold when I tried to publish my edit I got a stern warning from our spam filter.

So here I am writing this w:wp:TLDR asking others to share tips about how they find a source for a particular quote made by a particular person. Anyone up to it? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:44, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * If Google doesn't quickly turn up a source for a quote (string of text) then I don't know a good answer. Answering a question I do know how to answer, the en-wiki article's sources are a good place to find some quotes. Googling the person's name and some relevant topic often yields citable RS with good quotes. Google Books with preview is a great source for published authors. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:43, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Let's talk about the Desktop Improvements
Hello!

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We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 00:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Just a note for anyone interested in this topic:
 * There an active discussion about it at wikt:Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2022/April where you can participate (if you are not blocked at wiktionary). Ottawahitech (talk) 14:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Coming soon: Improvements for templates
Hello, more changes around templates are coming to your wiki soon:

The template dialog in VisualEditor and in the 2017 Wikitext Editor (beta) will be improved fundamentally: This should help users understand better what the template expects, how to navigate the template, and how to add parameters.
 * project page, talk page

In syntax highlighting (CodeMirror extension), you can activate a colorblind-friendly color scheme with a user setting.
 * project page, talk page

Deployment is planned for May 10. This is the last set of improvements from WMDE Technical Wishes' focus area “Templates”.

We would love to hear your feedback on our talk pages! -- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) 11:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @Johanna Strodt (WMDE), Thanks for posting this at the WQ Village pump.
 * Can you please tell me what are templates and what is a template dialog? Thanks in advance Ottawahitech (talk) 13:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ottawahitech: Thank you for your question. Technically, a template is a page which can be inserted into another page. I don't know about Wikiquote, but a well-known example for a template in Wikipedia would be an infobox template. You can put that that template in the article, fill out the fields that it contains, and it will create an infobox in same style as the infoboxes in other articles. Template dialog is the name for the interface you can use to edit templates. The video I have linked embedded in my announcement shows the dialog in action. Hope that helps! -- Have a good weekend, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 09:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC) updated: Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 07:50, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Johanna Strodt (WMDE), thank you for replying. I have not read your announcement carefully, but it contains a lot of links. Can you please tell the readers which link to click to view the video that shows the template dialog in action. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 12:35, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Ottawahitech, I was referring to the video that I had embedded directly in the announcement. Sorry if my language was misleading there. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 07:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If I wanted to try my hand at designing a template where do I find the link that will start the template dialog. Thanks in advance,
 * BTW thanks for responding @Johanna Strodt (WMDE). I clicked the image on the top-righthand side of your announcement, which I assume is what you meant when you said; " video that I had embedded directly in the announcement", and the audio immediately started playing, without giving me the option of watching the video silently with subtitles, which is how I would have preferred it. Ottawahitech (talk) 13:17, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ottawahitech: I'm not sure what you mean by "designing a template". If you want to create a template, the template dialog is not the right interface. You can use the template dialog to place an existing template on a wiki page and fill the fields that the template offers. I suggest you have a look at this help page, which sums up how to use this dialog much better than I can explain here.
 * About the audio: Yes, I'm afraid that is the standard behavior for videos here. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 08:01, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 08:01, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Johanna Strodt (WMDE): I guess what you are saying is that the dialog box is meant to help newbies who don't know how to use templates? Confused. Ottawahitech (talk) 10:35, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Editing news 2022 #1
Read this in another language • Subscription list for this multilingual newsletter

The New topic tool helps editors create new ==Sections== on discussion pages. New editors are more successful with this new tool. You can read the report. Soon, the Editing team will offer this to all editors at the 20 Wikipedias that participated in the test. You will be able to turn it off at Special:Preferences.

Whatamidoing (WMF) 18:55, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

New competition on English Wikipedia and related SiteNotice request
A popular article writing competition CEE Spring (about Central and Eastern Europe; now with special subcategory about Esperanto) is happening on the English Wikipedia until the 31st May 2022. I warmly invite you to participate, write some article and win a valuable prize! If you have question, I will happily answer it on the competition page talk.

Also, for more wide outreach, I have just asked for a CentralNotice, which should appear also in this project. If you have a comment on the request, you are welcome to write it on the request page. --KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 18:29, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

==Quote of the day (Suggestion): Out of 195 countries, only 30 have honored the US sanctions on Russia. That means ~165 countries... have refused to join the sanctions... by far the majority of the world’s population. ==

Suggestion #1
 * Out of 195 countries, only 30 have honored the US sanctions on Russia. That means about 165 countries in the world have refused to join the sanctions. Those countries represent by far the majority of the world’s population.
 * We in the West hear that Russia is “isolated in the world” as a result of the crisis in Ukraine. If one is speaking about the Eurovassal states and the Anglosphere, that is true. But considering humanity as a whole and among the rising economies of the world, it is the US that stands isolated.... It appears that the grand scheme of U.S. global hegemony to be brought about by the US move to WWII Redux, both Cold and Hot, has hit a mighty snag. For those who look forward to a multipolar world, this is a welcome turn of events emerging out of the cruel tragedy of the U.S. proxy war in Ukraine. The possibility of a saner, more prosperous multipolar world lies ahead – if we can get there.
 * On Ukraine, Does the World Majority Sides With Russia Over U.S.?, John V. Walsh,   L.A. Progressive, May 1, 2022
 * On Ukraine, world majority sides with Russia over US, by John Walsh, Asia Times, May 2, 2022

Suggestion #2
 * The Ministry of Truth... the three slogans of the Party: WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
 * George Orwell, 1984

Suggestion #3
 * Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible... And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale — then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past, 'ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past' ...
 * George Orwell, 1984

Thank you Those who support the American way of lies, deception, insane greed, needless violence, & corruption are on a sinking ship. The blind lead the blind. The tyrant's days in power are ending now. Zombies on power trips have a bleak future. They'll soon be found only in history books. :-) 24.42.166.244 14:32, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @24.42.166.244 Thank you for this elaborate suggestion. I took the liberty of formatting it so that discussion can proceed without breaking up your original posting. I hope you do not mind Ottawahitech (talk) 14:47, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ottawahitech for your cooperation. 24.42.166.244 14:53, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @ 24.42.166.244, it is not clear to me whether you are trying to discuss the " American way of lies" here on the WQ Village Pump, or whether you are trying to discuss the process used on WQ to choose the Quote the day. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:14, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * On the main page it says "There is a page for each month where previous 'Quotes of the Day' for each date are listed, and where registered users can make suggestions or rank suggestions for upcoming dates." That text links to Quote of the day/May. Try there. - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 17:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you Ottawahitech & Butwhatdoiknow... there no longer seem to be any glaring issues. Haven't heard a warning buzzer for days now. Cheers 24.42.166.244 18:25, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Quote of the day Suggestions

 * @Butwhatdoiknow, If I wanted to add a QOTD for say May 20, how would I do it? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 22:06, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. I followed the link and couldn't quickly figure it out. Not wanting to nominate a quote I didn't have the motivation to spend more time on it. - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 06:53, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Butwhatdoiknow, Same here. Does anyone at WQ know the answer: How can Wikiquotiens participate in choosing the quote of the day? Did anyone here ever figure it out? Is there anyone we can ping to this thread who has knowledge of this topic? Ottawahitech (talk) 13:31, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not meant to be a secret. If you simply search for the date you wish to view (for example May 20) and scroll to the bottom, you will see the suggestions (and the process for suggesting new quotes). ~ UDScott (talk) 15:00, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for this tip, @UDScott. I wonder if anyone reading this thread has an interest in creating a document with simple instructions on how to participate in QOTD decision making? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:50, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

First proposed suggestion
Problems: If I follow the link on the main page, I end up here (1st Page). When I then click on the 20th, I end up here (2nd Page), where I find past years' QotDs but no instructions. Maybe I give up. Maybe I scroll down. If I scroll down far enough and don't scroll past it, I find Rank or add further suggestions… (3rd page). I click on that and find ... no instructions. Maybe I give up. Maybe I scroll down. If I scroll down far enough I find (1) Rank or add further suggestions… indented under 2022, it has no link, (2) a quote, and (3) information about ranking and selection. Finally, I find (4) a section labeled "Suggestions" that have quotes and comments from 2008 and one quote and comment from 2014. Maybe I give up because all I see are suggestions from years ago and I'm not sure where to add a suggestion for 2022.

Suggestions: (a) Add the following text to the top of the 2nd page saying something like "To add suggestions or rank prior suggestions, scroll down to the date you wish your quote to appear and click the link at end of that section." (b) On the third page, turn Rank or add further suggestions… into a heading. (c) Put a link to that heading at the top of the third page ("''To add suggestions or rank prior suggestions, click here."). (d) Move the "Quotes by people born this day, already used as QOTD:" somewhere else. (e) Change the "Suggestions" heading to "Suggestions for future Quotes of the Day. - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 18:18, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Butwhatdoiknow, all I can say is WOW!!! - I did not expect such an elaborate response.
 * I have been studying your proposal for a few minutes and managed to understand the first paragraph, I hope. I also hope that when I am back to this topic sometime later, someone else would pick up on this and progress will be accomplished in actually making it easier for those who have never participated in the decision making at QOTD to do so (crossing fingers...) Ottawahitech (talk) 13:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Second proposed suggestion

 * Since it seems we are short of contributors willing and able to create documentation on WQ, I wonder if someone is interested in simply creating a FAQ using some the wisdom collected from postings at this Pump? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse
Why isn’t there a teahouse like on Wikipedia? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 12:29, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Because there aren't enough volunteers on Wikiquote willing and able to provide this kind of service. Just my $.02 Ottawahitech (talk) 12:27, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe there would be volunteers if there was a teahouse. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 12:30, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ilovemydoodle, maybe. Are you volunteering to start a Wikiquote teahouse? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:39, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I would be willing to help with a Teahouse to welcome new editors. HouseOfChange (talk) 15:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 23:42, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Great - looks like we already have 2 volunteers willing to work on a wp-like-teahouse on WQ. How many more do we need to get going? Ottawahitech (talk) 18:37, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ilovemydoodle@HouseOfChange, Have you checked to see if a teahouse/helpdesk/reference desk/etc has ever existed on WQ? If one existed in the past, it would be informative to see why it failed. Ottawahitech (talk) 06:48, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I justed checked, there doesn’t appear to be one. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 06:51, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi all, I'd also be willing to help with it. I contribute to the Teahouse on Wikipedia a lot. Pinging, , Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:33, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The purpose of the Teahouse and the Help Desk on WP is to separate fairly basic and repetitive questions from new users and more general community discussion. Actually more so, because WP:VPT and WP:MCQ are even more specialized help forums. But the separation has to do with the volume. I don't know that there's enough volume here to warrant a split at the moment. In fact, nearly all of the recent threads here asking for assistance are from Doodle.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  18:50, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Call for Election Volunteers
The Movement Strategy and Governance team is looking for community members to serve as election volunteers in the upcoming Board of Trustees election.

The idea of the Election Volunteer Program came up during the 2021 Wikimedia Board of Trustees Election. This program turned out to be successful. With the help of Election Volunteers we were able to increase outreach and participation in the election by 1,753 voters over 2017. Overall turnout was 10.13%, 1.1 percentage points more, and 214 wikis were represented in the election. A total of 74 wikis that did not participate in 2017 produced voters in the 2021 election. Can you help change the participation for this year's?

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Rollback
How do I apply for rollback rights? Ilovemydoodle (talk) 02:05, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


 * At the risk of showing my ignorance, what are rollback rights? Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 18:34, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Rollback rights allow a user to undo many edits at once. Ilovemydoodle (talk) 18:49, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Is rollback different than revert? Which kinds of undo does one need a permission to perform? (I think I have had a discussion on someone's talk page about the different ways of undoing edits, but I have the memory of a flea and can't remember where)
 * btw @Ilovemydoodle, Thanks for replying to my question earlier. Ottawahitech (talk) 06:58, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , we don't have rollback as a separate user right here right now. Ferien (talk) 19:36, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Why? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:40, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it was actually discussed recently but no-one got around to adding it. I'm pretty sure all it requires is a phab task and a consensus of some sort. --Ferien (talk) 19:43, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Who has the ability to add it? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:52, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know, I think it might be a system admin who can do that? --Ferien (talk) 19:53, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you know who I could ask about creating it? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:57, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Anti-vandalism bot
Why don’t we have anti-vandalism bot(s) like Wikipedia does. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:34, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

New template
Hi, I added a new template, I hope you find this useful. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:56, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Checkusers
Why are there no Checkusers on Wikiquote? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 20:35, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Ilovemydoodle, There used to be checkeruser(s?) on WQ, I think. However, as experience on en-wikipedia has shown, it is not wise to appoint checkusers willy-nilly. Appointing the wrong person can have disastrous consequences. Just my $.02 Ottawahitech (talk) 07:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Checkerusers or Checkusers? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 07:09, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry - checkusers. Ottawahitech (talk) 07:28, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * We discussed this several months back but didn't have sufficient consensus for it, as it requires at least 25 active users saying yes. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:53, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Where? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 23:55, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * can't seem to find it now. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:58, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Merge ip edits to user account (Crosspost from Administrators’ noticeboard)
I have been editing under the ip range of 2603:7080:da3c:7a33::/64, I would like this to be merged to the user account ilovemydoodle, Is this possible and if so, can it be done? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 20:37, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't think you can merge IP edits with an account. I've been an admin on enwiki since 2005 and have never found a way (I think it's designed so you can't). Antandrus (talk) 21:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Why is it designed that way? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 21:48, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I would guess for GFDL compliance with edit attribution. Antandrus (talk) 21:58, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * But, what if someone confirms using both accounts? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 22:01, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

GRP
Who’s GRP and why is everyone talking about him? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


 * This guy. He's a persistent pest on Wikimedia projects, and is banned by the Wikimedia Foundation from editing any project. He harasses, stalks, tries to crack our accounts, spoofs people's emails so they get shut down, sends threats, sends more threats, makes hate sites with our names, and never stops. He's been doing it (on enwiki) since December 2005. At the risk of saying too much -- he is mentally ill in a severe and disabling way. His family takes care of him, but without monitoring what he does on the internet, obviously. Antandrus (talk) 21:37, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * What’s the difference between a vandal and a pest? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 21:47, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * He's both. Make a Venn Diagram of those two categories and he's in the intersection. Not all of his edits are straight-up "vandalism" but there's always something wrong with them -- not only does he have gross w:WP:COMPETENCE issues, but he attacks everyone who removes his edits, often in colorful and comically ungrammatical edit summaries. Definite pest. Here's one that is kind of typical. Vandalism (link goes to a porn site) with one of his edit summaries that hasn't been revision deleted. Antandrus (talk) 22:07, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's one more -- accusing us of being incompetent at grammar, while himself adding a grammar mistake. I recommend reverting everything he adds. @User:Ferien can add explanation as necessary. Antandrus (talk) 22:12, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended confirmed
Why is there no Extended confirmed like on Wikipedia – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:05, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Edit section template
On Wikipedia there is a template called (which I needed for a template I was making, so I copied it over and it doesn't work. So I tested it on Wikipedia and works just fine. Do you have any idea on why this is happening and how to fix it?

Edit: It appears that the section attribute in the url when editing behaves differently on Wikiquote then on Wikipedia, on Wikipedia it can be a number or a section name, while on Wikiquote it can only be a number, why is this and how do I make it behave like Wikipedia? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 22:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @koavf Could you fix this? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 17:48, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You have to use to actually ping me. I don't think I have the bandwidth to look into this now. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:59, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "not enough bandwidth?" – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 18:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I am busy and don't have enough time to fix this. I looked at it when I first saw this thread and couldn't resolve it. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Who else could I ask? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 18:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe someone on en.wp? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Can’t, IP blocked from en.wp – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 18:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Koavf Do you know who else I could ask? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 01:29, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Could an Interface Admin fix this? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 01:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe. Seems likely. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:46, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait, aren't you the only interface admin on Wikiquote? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 01:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:54, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * So, could you *eventually* fix it? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 01:57, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe? I'll put something on my calendar. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:58, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Koavf I really need this fixed for a Template I was working on. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 03:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Could you fix this? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 00:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly the go-to person for any technical issues. I usually just ask Koavf.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  10:25, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Just a thought, since many contributors to Wikiquote (WQ) do not know which admin does what here, maybe it would be helpful for each admin to provide a short blurb on their userpage describing their specialty. Your thoughts? Ottawahitech (talk) 12:46, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Good idea, also their should be contact list of admins list what they do. – Ilovemydoodle (talk | e-mail) 13:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Could you fix this? – Ilovemydoodle (talk | e-mail) 09:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ilovemydoodle: Unfortunately not. Pinging Putnik because I remember that they sometimes help with templates across wikis. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 10:39, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Not a template problem, it's a MediaWiki problem, the section attribute in the url when editing behaves differently on Wikiquote then on Wikipedia, on Wikipedia it can be a number or a section name, while on Wikiquote it can only be a number. – Ilovemydoodle (talk | e-mail) 10:41, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Could you submit this to phab? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 22:40, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 00:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * T310110 —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 01:24, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Someone on phab asked for clarification. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 08:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm following the ticket. It's really best if you respond. If you really can't for some reason (you already have an account there), then post here and I can port it over. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:12, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ I can’t get into phab because I removed my email due to abuse, and when I tried to create the account it sent the verification email to a previous email account I no longer have and I can't change it, so I'm stuck. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 08:17, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 08:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Koavf Task was duplicate of T11239. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 17:31, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Blocked from reading
I was looking through the API, particularly user permissions, and I saw that it listed read as a right, is this just how it lists permissions, or can you actually be blocked from reading? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 02:55, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * There are fishbowl wikis where particular pages or virtually all of the pages are restricted to users with logins. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:59, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * What’s a fishbowl wiki? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 03:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * E.g.: https://checkuser.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page It's not intended for everyone to be able to view. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:04, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * But, is it possible for an admin (or a more privileged user) to block someone from viewing ALL pages? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 03:08, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure no. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Does the wmf also have a website/project where admins are not permitted to block Users? Ottawahitech (talk) 13:08, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Probably not. Private/fishbowl wikis may not have admins who can block users though as access can simply be revoked. --Ferien (talk) 18:31, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ilovemydoodle/@Koavf/anyone else': What is the API? Ottawahitech (talk) 12:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no clue. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * mw:API:Main page – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 13:56, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Also see API. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 03:07, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You can't be blocked from reading on Wikiquote, only from editing, even if "read" is a right. --Ferien (talk) 18:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Permission to run formatting regular expressions on all pages
I am requesting permission to create a bot that runs formatting regular expressions on all pages. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 03:25, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Doesn't seem like a problem to me, but can you explain more about why you would do this? Have you done this before on another wiki? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I am looking for Bureaucrat permission to do so. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 03:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I see lots of formatting errors on almost every page, and I am tired of having to manually fix them.
 * Also how do I make it officially a bot? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 04:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You may want to see w:en:WP:AWB. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think I would like a full bot – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 04:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Also I use MacOS. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 04:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Requests for an official bot flag may be logged at WQ:Bots (which has not been very active lately). You will need to be a lot more specific and particular than "formatting regular expressions on all pages". I.e. what pattern(s) do you want to change, and to what? (Not everything at WQ:MOS is necessary, or desirable.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * My idea was to create a dynamic list of regular expressions that could be updated and then run across all pages. As for the regular expressions, here are a few I was thinking of:
 * A regular expression that would normalize the capitalization of html tags (e.g.  to  )
 * A regular expression that would replace all replace the unicode  with the ascii
 * A regular expression that would normalize spacing in headers (e.g.  to  )
 * A regular expression that would normalize spacing at the start of lines (e.g.  to  )
 * – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 23:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * "Requests for an official bot flag may be logged at WQ:Bots". ~ Ningauble (talk) 00:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I checked WQ:Bots, but I still don't know where one would apply for permission to run a BOT. Granted, I have not read the whole page carefully since I do not personally need this permission, but...
 * I have been sent to circular instructions before, so am always Leary about wasting time. Just my $02 Ottawahitech (talk) 15:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * What does it mean to: "run formatting regular expressions"? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 04:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * A regular expression specifically designed to improve formatting (to follow the Manual of Style) – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 04:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * what is a regular expression? Ottawahitech (talk) 05:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * See . That, however, still doesn't explain exactly what current regular expressions will be fixed, and with what output. <font style="background:#F2E6CE">BD2412 T 05:20, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I didn’t mean say to fix regular expressions, I meant that I want to fix formatting USING regular expressions. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 05:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

New template
Hi, I am working on a new template, I hope you find it useful. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 23:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * What template? Ottawahitech (talk) 13:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This template. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 13:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Alexa Internet is gone
For those interested, it appears that Amazon has shut down Alexa Internet, I think? Ottawahitech (talk) 13:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Let's talk about the Desktop Improvements
Hello!

Have you noticed that some wikis have a different desktop interface? Are you curious about the next steps? Maybe you have questions or ideas regarding the design or technical matters?

Join an online meeting with the team working on the Desktop Improvements! It will take place on 17 May 2022 at 12:00 UTC and 19:00 UTC on Zoom. Click here to join. Meeting ID: 86217494304. Dial by your location.

Agenda


 * Update on the recent developments
 * Questions and answers, discussion

Format

The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes will be taken in a Google Docs file. Olga Vasileva (the Product Manager) will be hosting this meeting. The presentation part will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, Italian, Polish; also, only at the first meeting: Farsi, Vietnamese; only at the second meeting: Portuguese, Spanish, Russian. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the talk page or send them to sgrabarczuk@wikimedia.org.

At this meeting, both Friendly space policy and the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces apply. Zoom is not subject to the WMF Privacy Policy.

We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 05:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Link please to PDF maker on Commons
Bore da / Good morning! Why does the 'Download as a PDF' tool, on Commons, only download the 1st 200 images, or have I missed something? I need to pdf all images in this category for use on WS. Many thanks! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 06:53, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Llywelyn2000, I don't understand your question, can you please elaborate? BTW your name sounds awfully familiar, have I met you somewhere? Ottawahitech (talk) 12:38, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi. Don't think we've met! The answer has been given elshwhere on ws, thanks! The question was about the 'Download as a PDF' tool on Commons, which is limited to only 200 pages at a time. All the best! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 13:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Technocal question: Is hotcat broken?
I have tried to add category:Articles with no corresponding English Wikipedia article to Michelle Statham but the article goes into edit mode and when I press Publish changes I do not see the category in the category list below the article. I tried 3 times. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hotcat is working fine (and that category has been added to the page). The issue is that this particular category is one of the hidden categories. It will not show up on the page. For maintenance categories such as this, we generally keep them hidden on the pages within them. Nothing is wrong with the tools - everything is working as intended. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @UDScott Sorry to have to put you, one of the most productive editors on WQ, on the spot, but no one else responded: Are you saying that you would rather not have wmf-dalits such as myself mess around in cateorization work on WQ? What about other editors who are not admins: should they do category work on WQ?
 * Also pinging another random admin to see how admins feel about this issue Ottawahitech (talk) 20:24, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying anything about any users - I'm just saying that everything is working as intended by the wiki community - and of course any user is welcome to work on categories. This is the way things have always been set up. Nothing prevents you from opting into seeing these hidden categories, but in general they are not shown to most users because they represent behind-the-scenes work that is needed. If you follow the link, and then go to the referenced w:WP:HIDDENCAT you'll see the following: "In cases where, for technical reasons, administration categories appear directly on articles rather than talk pages, they should be made into hidden categories, so that they are not displayed to readers. This rule does not apply to stub categories or "uncategorized article" categories – these types are not hidden...A logged-in user may elect to view all hidden categories, by checking "Show hidden categories" on the "Appearance" tab of Preferences. Notice that "hidden" parent categories are never in fact hidden on category pages (although they are listed separately). ~ UDScott (talk) 20:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm a little confused by the confusion here. You were the one who added the hidden category magic word to the category in question about a month ago.   G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  10:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @GreenMeansGo, Thanks for responding. I don't recall adding a hidden category called category:magic word but then, as many here already know, my memory is flea-sized. I guess this category must have been deleted?
 * Which category are you referring to when you say: "to the category in question about a month ago"'?Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 13:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Articles_with_no_corresponding_English_Wikipedia_article&action=history  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  22:27, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Twinkle
How do I install Twinkle on Wikiquote? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 16:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Take a look at w:en:Wikipedia:Twinkle. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:11, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, already figured it out. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 17:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There is also TwinkleGlobal: m:User:Xiplus/TwinkleGlobal --Ferien (talk) 06:24, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Do you mean you're getting failed login attempts? Don't worry. If you have a strong password, he'll never get in. 2FA is also good if you want some extra protection. --Ferien (talk) 06:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, my password is decently secure. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 06:20, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * In fact, I think the only reason he tries logging in isn't to get into your account because he knows that won't happen, but to trigger the failed login attempts notification. --Ferien (talk) 06:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Why? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 06:26, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Template editor
How do I get Template editor status? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 06:48, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * You can request the permission and clearly explain what you would do with the user right. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Where do I request permission, the request permission page doesn't seem to exist? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:38, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You could make a request here: Requests for adminship. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:42, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There’s no section for Template editor. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's okay to make a new section and then add your request under it. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * He uses several accounts. There's no particular reason to post it. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That’s not what I’m asking, I asking if I'm allowed to. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know of any rule against publishing someone's email address, but it would probably be poor form, he has multiple email addresses, and it's not clear why you would do it, so I'm discouraging doing it. The WMF do have doxxing rules, which I recommend you read. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Could I post it to admins only? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's any way to do that, but if you want to email admins using that function of Wikiquote, that sounds valid. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:24, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * GRP has multiple email addresses (10, 11? maybe more?), I'm not sure what the purpose would be of giving us or the community his email address. As far as I'm aware, specific email addresses can't be blocked from creating accounts and even if that was possible, he would probably just create another email address. --Ferien (talk) 19:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Why can’t emails be blocked? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:37, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Templates in edit summaries
Why can’t you use Templates in edit summaries? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 22:57, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It's just plain text. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:03, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've seen people put links in them though. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 00:10, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If you put in a link anywhere in MediaWiki (unless the page is made for Lua code or data), then it will convert into a hyperlink: e.g. https://example.example/ —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No, I mean internal links. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 00:31, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipediasucks.co
What is Wikipediasucks.co and why does GRP often link there? – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 23:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Just a forum for complaining. Please see w:en:Wikipedia:Deny recognition. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Site Response Time
The site seems to be lagging a lot right now sometimes taking over ten seconds, why is this?

Edit: Nevermind – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 19:25, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

New template
Hi, I am made a new template, I hope you find it useful. – Ilovemydoodle (talk) 07:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Joe Biden
I just happened to see that Joe Biden is included in Category:All articles lacking reliable references. Does anyone know why this is? Ottawahitech (talk) 17:47, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Because it contains several templates. – Ilovemydoodle (talk | e-mail) 20:09, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Grey background for an svg file on Russia
I've added a .svg file in a thumb with a quote by Mikhail Khodorkovsky. However I think the image would look better with a grey background; does anyone know how I can render it with a grey backdrop? --Spafky (talk) 18:48, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Account deletion
– Ilovemydoodle (talk | e-mail) {DELETION IN PROGRESS} 06:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Damn, can I ask why? --Spafky (talk) 08:18, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * – Ilovemydoodle (talk | e-mail) {DELETION IN PROGRESS} 08:20, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It is impossible to delete an account. You might want to request a vanish, see m:Vanish, but only if you have no intention of editing any Wikimedia project ever again. --Ferien (talk) 09:20, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

RfC: Redaction

 * @Ilovemydoodle, Sorry I cannot keep up with you., but your user-talk-page is still active, for now. Ottawahitech (talk) 13:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Comments

 * For some context, see User talk:Ilovemydoodle, User talk:DannyS712, and User talk:Ferien --DannyS712 (talk) 10:57, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess if you can find someone willing to go through a few thousand edits to revdel every comment you've ever made. Better option is probably to ignore the trolls and carry on. They tend to get bored after a while.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  19:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have already done it, my redaction was just redone, I am asking if can redo it. – Ilovemydoodle (talk | e-mail) {DELETION IN PROGRESS} 21:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)


 * – Ilovemydoodle (talk | e-mail) {DELETION IN PROGRESS} 10:50, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Technical question: How to use templates collapse top and collapse bottom
The templates collapse top and collapse bottom allow parts of discussion on talk-pages to be collapsed. It is, IMIO, the most elegant way of hiding comments that are deemed off-topic, trollish, etc by the majority of readers of the particular talkpage. These templates create a box that hides text by default, but can be unhidden by those who want to view the off-topic comments. The collapse top should always have, I think, a corresponding collapse bottom. Unfortunately it appears that the archiving BOT was not designed to handle this template properly when a page that contains this template is archived. See: User talk:MarcoAurelio.

Does anyone here know how to get around this problem? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 13:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

NATO
This page is filled with a... suspiscious amount of quotes from articles arguing that NATO is obsolete, that the West is imperialistic and that Russia is only in a defensive position. While I believe that fundamentally it would be good for such quotes to remain in the page, as they give a diversity of points of view, their sheer number might be... a bit much to comfortably navigate it. Whoever edited it clearly put dedication – whatever their motive. To a lesser extent this also applies to the Russia page, on which I've worked in the past couple of days. (Although I haven't removed quotes so far) --Spafky (talk) 23:05, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It's unbalanced, I agree. See Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive/037 for the background (looks like NATO never made it to the cleanup list). @User:HouseOfChange has been doing a lot of work fixing this stuff. Some of the rest of us have done a little.
 * I don't think all of the "Russian propaganda" quotes should be removed, but anything long and unquotable -- big slabs of text from opinion pieces in blogs and fringe publications, for the most part -- should come out, with some other quotables going in for balance. Antandrus (talk) 23:17, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * There is an underlying problem with narrow specific topics like NATO, International Monetary Fund, etc. They don't inspire notable quotable quotes, so instead they turn into what I call "fake Wikipedia articles" that give a false impression that the collection of quotes assembled is a useful summing up of the topic. Unless there are actual notable quotable quotes about a topic, I don't think that topic is suited to Wikiquote. Meanwhile, a POV-pushing editor with time and motive to gather one-sided paragraphs of editorializing quotes, has a natural advantage in using Wikiquote to host their "fake Wikipedia articles." HouseOfChange (talk) 06:07, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe that these are perfectly suitable topics for quotes. The problem is the unbalancedness of these pages, transforming them into a soapbox for a certain POV, disguised using what they call fake neutrality. Spafky (talk) 07:33, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Report on Voter Feedback from Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) Enforcement Guidelines Ratification
Hello all,

The Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) project team has completed the analysis of the feedback accompanying the ratification vote on the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines.

Following the completion of the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines Draft in 2022, the guidelines were voted on by the Wikimedian community. Voters cast votes from 137 communities, with the top 9 communities being: English, German, French, Russian, Polish, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, Italian Wikipedias, and Meta-wiki.

Those voting had the opportunity to provide comments on the contents of the Draft document. 658 participants left comments. 77% of the comments are written in English. Voters wrote comments in 24 languages with the largest numbers in English (508), German (34), Japanese (28), French (25), and Russian (12).

A report will be sent to the Revision Drafting Committee who will refine the enforcement guidelines based on the community feedback received from the recently concluded vote. A public version of the report is published on Meta-wiki here. The report is available in translated versions on Meta-wiki. Please help translate to your language

Again, we thank all who participated in the vote and discussions. We invite everyone to contribute during the next community discussions. More information about the Universal Code of Conduct and Enforcement Guidelines can be found on Meta-wiki.

Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 10:32, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Cross-wiki spam
The following pages are all from a cross-wiki spammer. Ricardo Nelson, Alexard Esther, Kadda Sheekoff. May need speedy deleting; I'm still getting the hang of/ getting back into Wikiquote though. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 14:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  11:38, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 20:17, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

IPv4 vs IPv6
How come some IP users show up as IPv4, while other show up as IPv6? – Ilovemydoodle (talk | e-mail) 05:59, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Because that's their IP address.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  11:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Don’t all users have both? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 11:40, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Rollback vs Twinkle
What is the difference in *functionality* between Rollback and Twinkle, they seem to function the same. – Ilovemydoodle (talk | e-mail) 23:52, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Rollback is native to the Wikimedia software. Twinkle is a third party extension.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  11:43, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I know, but what is the functional difference? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 11:45, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Revisions to the Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) Enforcement Guidelines
<section begin="announcement-content" />
 *  m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Enforcement guidelines/Revision discussions/Announcement • 

Hello all,

We'd like to provide an update on the work on the Enforcement Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct. After the conclusion of the community vote on the guidelines in March, the Community Affairs committee (CAC) of the Board asked that several areas of the guidelines be reviewed for improvements before the Board does its final review. These areas were identified based on community discussions and comments provided during the vote. The CAC also requested review of the controversial Note in 3.1 of the UCoC itself.

Once more, a big thank you to all who voted, especially to all who left constructive feedback and comments! The project team is working with the Board to establish a timeline for this work, and will communicate this next month.

Members of the two prior UCoC Drafting Committees have generously offered their time to help shape improvements to the Guidelines. You can read more about them and their work here, as well as read summaries of their weekly meetings in 2022.

Wikimedians have provided many valuable comments together with the vote and in other conversations. Given the size and diversity of the Wikimedia community, there are even more voices out there who can give ideas on how to improve the enforcement guidelines and add even more valuable ideas to the process. To help the Revisions committee identify improvements, input on several questions for the committee’s review is requested. Visit the Meta-wiki pages (Enforcement Guidelines revision discussions, Policy text revision discussions) to get your ideas to the Committee - it is very important that viewpoints are heard from different communities before the Committee begins drafting revision proposals.

On behalf of the UCoC project team <section end="announcement-content" />

Zuz (WMF) (talk) 19:11, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Admin accountability poll
I made an poll for Admin accountability, here. – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 05:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Idea: Tipping
Tipping would be a feature where an editor could tip another editor (that has enabled the option), this would function the same way as an "thank", but would send a monetary payment instead of just giving the receiver a notification, this could also give the WMF a small cut (maybe 10%). What do you think? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 06:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This would have to be proposed on m:Meta.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  11:44, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Where on Meta? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 11:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I would guess m:Tech.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  12:34, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 13:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

New User Right request
I would like a new User Right to be added that only has the ability to Delete and Undelete Pages. – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 10:21, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The Foundation has long rejected granting delete/undelete to users who have not passed some RfA type process. For liability reasons, access to potentially illegal content has to be restricted.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  10:58, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What about just Delete? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 11:02, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It's been suggested in every possible formulation. They simply wont do it. If nothing else, they're not going to commit resources to substantial changes in the software when they can just shrug and say that if people want to delete stuff, they should go pass RfA. There's nothing a local project can do about it. It's something only the Foundation can implement.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  11:19, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Can I close this discussion? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 11:30, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It's usually not necessary to formally close discussions. Incidentally, Did we not implement a bot to archive centralized pages like this?   G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  11:33, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I like closing discussions, it signals to me a "Oh ok I got it, now I'm done." – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 12:27, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This page is manually archived. User:MABot archives Administrators' noticeboard. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:36, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

New User Right request (2)
Can we add Extended Confirmed like on Wikipedia? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 00:19, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm not sure what the purpose of it would be here as it's a much smaller community. I'm open to see what others think though. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 20:19, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * For extra protection on some pages. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 11:51, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you point to some serious disruption that would be prevented by ECP, and not by ACP?  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  12:08, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * For example some people just create an account make a few simple edit, then they can vandalize them. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 12:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Wasn't really asking for a hypothetical.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  12:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Confused about PAVLOV
How is he doing admin actions if he isn’t an admin? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 00:46, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Blockedtext
One area of MediaWiki:Blockedtext says "Wikipedia" instead of "Wikiquote". AKK-700 (talk) 03:07, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Could you fix this? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 03:12, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Nice find. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:15, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

GRP
What happened to GRP, has he stopped? Edit: he’s back. – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 05:49, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Ping everyone
Is it possible to ping everyone or everyone in a User Rights Group (e.g. Administrators)?

Edit: Created Template for Administrators, here. – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 05:57, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Work to do on Wikiquote
I don’t really have anything to do on Wikiquote, does anyone have any requests? – Ilovemydoodle (talk / e-mail) 06:33, 6 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, there's a lot of uncategorized pages at Special:UncategorizedPages that need categories adding; not redlinked ones, though. I found this article with no lead section also, The Loud House Movie. I have various tasks at User:Rubbish computer/Todo; although I did create the page for myself, I welcome collaboration on it. Also it's great you want to help out! Cheers, Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Could you purge Special:Uncategorizedpages? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 19:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Go to Category:People by nationality and finish changing the category names from demonyms to prepositional descriptors. E.g., "American" to "People from America." I got about half way through before COVID happened and I went off to go work in hospitals and stuff.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  18:15, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅, did a good amount of those. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 18:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, there's also Category:Wikiquote no intro. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:57, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll work on it soon. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 19:02, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * You have to change the pages over to the new category. That's why it's a task that hasn't been completed.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  19:36, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@User:Aphaia @User:BD2412 @User:DannyS712 @User:Ferien @User:GreenMeansGo @User:Illegitimate Barrister @User:Jusjih @User:Kalki @User:Koavf @User:Mdd @User:Miszatomic @User:Ningauble @User:Pmlineditor @User:UDScott @User:Ilovemydoodle

Source. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 13:27, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Dude. Chill out. Just ignore them.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  13:33, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Him* – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 13:52, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This is the sound of me starting to lose patience.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  14:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Template changes without discussion
I disagree with some of the recent changes to templates that have been unilaterally made without any discussion (an example is the template for film cleanup, Template:Film-cleanup, but there are others as well). The new message is a bit confusing to me and I never knew it had been changed until I used it recently. To me, templates (especially those used often and for many years) should not undergo wholesale changes without discussion - or at least a notification that this had been done so others can comment on it. Anyone have any thoughts on this? ~ UDScott (talk) 23:48, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I would be content to say that if you are going to make a template, you need to make some /doc. Otherwise we can delete it, because the documentation is actually important. The number of templates here without any documentation is pretty impressive.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  00:32, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree...my point was that established templates that have been used for years are now being changed, without any discussion, and the new language on them is not always fully reflective of the situations they are intended to cover. I don't mind new ideas, but it would be good to discuss them first before just silently making such a change. ~ UDScott (talk) 00:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * My two cents: I feel like we are being trolled. <font style="background:#F2E6CE">BD2412 T 14:40, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not trolling, just trying to improve Templates. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF) (talk / e-mail) 14:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Then do so by discussion and consensus going forward. <font style="background:#F2E6CE">BD2412 T 22:42, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 22:56, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

RfC: sections not listed in the TOC
Do you think we should be able to have sections not listed in the TOC (e.g. off-topic or spam comments)? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 21:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Found GRP
Here.

Edit: I am really sorry for whatever I did wrong, but I got banned, see my contributions – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 01:25, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Nope, that's not him. Only the accounts there named after us are him. But that's all I will say about that worthless and repulsive site; it's best just to ignore it. Seriously. Ten or fifteen years ago ED was kind of a thing on the internet, with a lot of activity, and a lot of visitors. Now it's irrelevant, and becomes less relevant with each passing day, and will end ultimately in a comfortable and well-deserved oblivion, -- unless, of course, we talk about it. So don't. Now what was I talking about? Gosh, I already forget. Antandrus (talk) 01:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, do you want me to redact my post? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 01:37, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You really shouldn't engage with this: you stand nothing to gain. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:45, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Why did I get banned though? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 01:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Because you weren't playing along with their game. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:56, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Which is? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 01:57, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 02:04, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Trolling. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The entire wiki? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 02:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * How do you base an entire wiki on trolling, and if it is based on that, why would you ban someone? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 02:10, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Encyclopedia Dramatica and because if you're not in on the joke, they don't want you there. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:12, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Frequent editors
Does anyone have a list of the frequent editors? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 04:18, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, this may be what you're looking for. https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikiquote.org/contributing/top-editors/normal|table|last-month|~total|monthly Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 15:51, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow! I'm the top! – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:53, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

English Wikipedia IP UTRS Request
I would like to make a English Wikipedia IP UTRS Request, How do I link my contributions to Wikiquote. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 08:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, you could send them this link as a URL. Hope this helps. I don't know why your IP is blocked on there though so not sure what they will say. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 15:49, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Here’s my block information for reference: w:Special:contribs/2603:7080:da3c:7a33::/64. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:52, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, how do I prove I own my account? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 16:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, not sure how you do that. I think you sometimes strike out comments too easily. I understand that on the recent RfD, for example, that user was editing disruptively, but striking out the comment seemed excessive. I'm not sure what the rules of redacting comments are on Wikiquote but I would err on the side of caution. I also think you sometimes need to communicate better with editors before making edits, especially very major ones. I'd be willing to mentor you here to hopefully prepare you to get unblocked on enwiki. You may need to work on these issues I highlighted first though. Hope this helps, Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:05, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, could you also look through my edits on Wikipedia to give more specific advice? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 16:07, 9 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Also important to state; I do think you can edit constructively and can see you editing on wiki eventually at some point. I can't promise it, but I think you have the potential to be an asset to WMF projects. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:07, 9 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, I didn't see much of your wp edits because you seem to have used several different IPs (not necessarily intentionally). The advice I wrote was based on what I could see. If you're unsure if an edit is controversial, stop and ask. Collaboration is key. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:09, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Also I mentor new users on Wikipedia all the time. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:10, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Here’s a full list of edits: . Also, I didn't intentionally use multiple IPs, just what my ISP does. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 16:17, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Here’s a full list of edits: . Also, I didn't intentionally use multiple IPs, just what my ISP does. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 16:17, 9 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, no worries about the IPs changing, that happens to most people I think eventually. I would take some time to focus on your work here on Wikiquote, say for a couple of months. Don't edit other people's comments, as a go-to rule, and try to discuss any major changes with the community beforehand. If you do this while contributing consistently to Wikiquote there's a greater chance you could be allowed back onto Wikipedia. I can't promise it. It's like a sort of wiki probation. Once you've been editing here for a while, if you've been careful not to make the same mistakes as on enwiki, there will be a greater chance of you being unblocked. Even if you're not, you will be helping a lot of people by contributing here. You can message me on my talk, or here, anytime you're unsure about something. Hope this helps, Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 16:28, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with this advice from User:Rubbish computer. Carry on, do good work here, and err on the side of caution and collaboration. (See also the advice thread on my talk page here). The "big wiki" can be somewhat unfriendly and bureaucratic; it's possible you'll find the smaller projects, like this one, are a better fit anyway. :) Antandrus (talk) 22:23, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Accidental edit war
I’m sorry for my accidental edit war on Total Drama All-Stars and Pahkitew Island, this wasn't intentional. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:45, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Ipboptions query from Ilovemydoodle
On MediaWiki:ipboptions, has suggested we change the wording from "infinite" to "indefinite". I don't personally think it should be changed. He requested community input. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 21:26, 9 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty indifferent, so I'm inclined to just let it stand. That said, if consensus is to change, I am happy to edit the interface for the community. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:41, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, it says "indefinite" on Wikipedia (e.g. this). – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 21:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * actually think consistency with our sister project is a pretty good reason, all other things aside. Not bad. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:57, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Encyclopediadramatica
I still don’t understand, can someone please give a full explanation? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 01:53, 10 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The best explanation is probably Encyclopedia Dramatica. It's a "satire" site, using that term loosely. However it is more of a hate and trolling site than anything recognizable as "satire". If you want to hurt other people, bully them, make them miserable, and get away with some pretty sickening libel, then it might appeal -- but if you are a normal, compassionate, caring human being, it may strike you another way entirely. Needless to say, w:WP:LTA/GRP makes account after account there. To put it in less words, it sucks and deserves oblivion. I mean, one of their admins turned into a goddamned school shooter. They praise such things. There is nothing good or worthwhile about the place. There's pranks, and then there's evil. Antandrus (talk) 03:09, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 03:28, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Also what’s the difference between it and Uncyclopedia? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 07:51, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ED is based on shock humour and trolling, whereas Uncyclopedia is based on clean humour. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 08:39, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you participate in Uncyclopedia? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 09:11, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * No, although I did in about 2015. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 09:12, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What account name? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 09:42, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Rubbish computer but it was on the old site and the account isn't registered anymore. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 10:03, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Regarding Encyclopedia Dramatica, I would just ignore them and not engage with them. Trolling is based on getting a reaction out of people, which leads to more trolling. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 10:06, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Feedback requested
Admin accountability poll is open for feedback. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 00:39, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

GRP returns
Source. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 06:46, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

NOTICE: API
I will soon be making ~3000 API requests, is that ok? Nevermind: only needed to make around 100 – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 07:52, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Crashed a server
I think I might accidentally crashed a server by attempting to create a Template that pings all users. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 09:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Why do we need a template to ping all users?  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  11:12, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thought it would be useful in an emergency, also I figured out a way of doing it without crashing the server by splitting the Template into Subpages by letter. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 11:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Or it's a complete waste of time and a function that someone will abuse at the earliest opportunity.   G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  12:51, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Weirdest Edit War
For a while now there has been a very strange "Edit War" happening at Sandbox on whether it should have a weird Sneed joke in it, can someone explain? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 11:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Top editor
I’m wondering, who has the most edit on WQ, also, what edit is the largest? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 14:12, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Request: Sockpuppet investigation
I am requesting a sockpuppet investigation be preformed on Antandrus. Edit: accusation was fake. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:52, 11 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Um, what? Antandrus (talk) 16:08, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * New evidence points to a high likelihood of Antandrus being a sockpuppet of GRP. Edit: accusation was fake. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 16:09, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * LOL. Is it April Fool's Day somewhere? Antandrus (talk) 16:11, 11 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I thought I made myself fairly clear a little while ago when I said I was losing patience. Maybe I need to make myself more clear. You need to chill out with urgency or I'm going to block you.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  19:19, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, done, I'll calm down Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 20:03, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Server
What just happened to the server? For several minutes going to any page just displayed "upstream connect error" and then after that went away, I couldn’t login for several more minutes. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 03:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

172.197.56.72
I have undone all of his edits here and on several other wikis, but can someone else please undo his vandalism on enwiki as I am blocked there? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 12:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, these edits seem to have already been undone there. Also note the IP is now globally blocked. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 14:55, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I said on enwiki, also for the ones on Wikiquote, I did all of them. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:19, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, on enwiki, they've already been undone. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 15:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Every single one? And by who? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 18:03, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I just checked, every edit this IP made on enwiki was reverted. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What about global contribs? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 18:09, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, there's a lot to look through. It appears they have been reverted though. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, can you answer me on my Talk Page? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 18:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Help! Apparently I might be globally locked for undoing vandalism m:User_talk:Hasley. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 18:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, try explaining on that meta talk page. Link to Wikiquote if it helps. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:19, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I don’t really know what to write, could you help? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 18:21, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 18:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 20:05, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Please help. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 20:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what you want, and I have to go. Hasley isn't going to ban you, if that's what you're worried about? I think you're ok. Antandrus (talk) 20:50, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Could you explain, just-in-case? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 20:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Suspicious account creation
Over last few hours three accounts all with first and last names follow by a long number starting with a 2 have been created: Does anyone else think this is suspicious or am I just being paranoid? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 10:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * MaePung2571248
 * IanDoak2587
 * MinnaGow214
 * These FirstLast#### accounts are almost certainly bots. Of course they might be legitimate. So you can't preemptively block them based only on username. But yeah. A bot comes in, registers a few accounts here and there, not so many at the same time as to arouse obvious attention, and then it comes back later to use the account for one-off spam before an inevitable block. If I'm not mistaken, it's Indian in origin. It's not really even clear that the person who wrote this is still aware it's running.
 * But the volume has always been low enough that it's not worth the trouble going on Meta and begging someone to write a complicated edit filter to weed them out, and it would have to be plenty complicated to not get a bunch of false positives, which just end up making more work than it would take to mop up the original spam.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  11:00, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Edit: Possible fourth one:
 * Edit 2: Possible fifth one:
 * – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 19:03, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 19:03, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 19:03, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Full film transcriptions on Wikisource
Over the last few years, I and some other editors on Wikisource have been making a massive effort to offer full transcriptions of public-domain films to the reading public. I wanted to let you guys know, because these transcriptions would be a free and directly-on-WMF way to pull quotes into current articles, like Night of the Living Dead for example, where the full transcription is now available at Night of the Living Dead. They can also be used for articles that could exist on WQ but haven't been created yet. I don't see many entries for silent movies here, but Wikisource has quite a few of those as well, including ones you might know like Nosferatu, Safety Last!, The Phantom of the Opera, Battleship Potemkin, Nanook of the North, The Kid, and many others. Nowadays, I work day in and day out to produce as many of these film transcriptions as possible, and in the past month or so I've been trying to knock out as many of the popular PD films as possible to get Wikisource some easy traffic. See Category:Film, Portal:Film, Help:Film, and s:Wikisource:WikiProject Film for listings and more info. Hopefully they'll be of use to Wikiquote too. PseudoSkull (talk) 21:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

RfC: Joe Biden
I personally prefer my formatting of the page, available here, but I have been informed some other users prefer a different style of formatting, available here, which one of these do you think should be in the main page?

– Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:45, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Comments

 * Comment: First, I do not believe this should be just a discussion about a single page (Joe Biden's), but rather about all people pages. In the examples provided, the second one is done to match the accepted people template. It would do no good if individual pages were permitted to have their own brand of formatting because some feel it looks better. The point of having the templates is to establish and maintain some consistency in appearance. I'm not against these templates evolving over time as the community sees fit, but we should do it in an across-the-project manner. Second, I don't see any additional value to changing the formatting as suggested in the first provided example - the use of blockquote is similar to the use of bolding on some pages and serves to highlight some quotes over others, but seems to me to be change for change sake and not to address some glaring need. The use of additional spacing after the bullet is something about which I am ambivalent, but again fail to see the benefit of its use. Third, if we adopt such changes, remember that they should be applied to all people pages - and thus would require much work to implement. For all these reasons, my position is that I am opposed to enacting the suggested changes. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The use of is not to highlight quotes, rather its use for longer quotes. Also, the indent on the other quotes, is to line up with the quotes using . – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 15:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The purpose of the use of blockquote may not be to highlight quotes, but the visual appearance that it generates does this anyway - the quotes that are formatted in this way stand out from others. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:12, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, this is unintentional, but I don't think there is any harm to this. Also, when I want to highlight a quote, I use . – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 17:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Here’s a comprise: We develop a Template that can be shown either way, and the user reading can set which version they want to see in their preferences. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 17:48, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Personally, I prefer not using 'blockquote', just on the principle of keeping it simple. Ain't broke, don't fix it, etc. Every increase in complexity is an decrease in friendliness to new users. I've seen Wikipedia (English, particularly) described as "Byzantine" and I rather understand. It can seem easy to us long-time users, but the less wikicode, the better. Antandrus (talk) 03:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, if you want something that is simple and clear I think what you want is Blockquote, for example look at the difference in clarity between these two examples:
 * Not using Blockquote
 * Using Blockquote
 * Using Blockquote
 * Using Blockquote


 * Which one is more clear to read to you? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 04:37, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Which one is more clear to read to you? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 04:37, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I prefer the former. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 19:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * My version? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 19:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

, the first one out of the two. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 19:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Which is mine, thank you so much! – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 19:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Could you vote on this? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 19:26, 28 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I certainly have nothing against the use of "blockquote" format on Wikipedia where it developed for purposes of the occasional presentation of some quotes in articles of that project; any attempt to extend it's use to articles here is, for the most part, simply confusing, as it disrupts such such simple standards for the formatting of quotes and citations as were developed for this project. I percieve no genuine advantages, and primarily confusing complications to its use in articles here. ~ ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 22:00, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Is this a vote against or just neutral? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 22:04, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME? or simply a habitual troll? It is a vote AGAINST. I will note that in the example you provide contrasting the stylings, actually ignores and disrupts such formatting as was provided at the source presentations of the quotes you use, inserting your own as if a "natural" or "proper" "improvement" on the source — which it is NOT. ~ ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 22:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it seem ambiguous to me, maybe I just need more sleep? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 22:09, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Separation of rollback from admin tools
Hello everyone. Ilovemydoodle made a request for rollback that I marked as not done due to the right not existing here. How does the community feel about rollback, and should it be made accessible to non-admins with a "rollbacker" userright? --Ferien (talk) 20:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Agree – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 20:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 10:17, 19 June 2022 (UTC)


 * No reason not to. It's already in the software and it's barely a bona fide user right. It doesn't grant the ability to do anything you couldn't otherwise; it just makes it easier.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  10:54, 19 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 18:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed that it's very lo-risk to separate these. You can also use JavaScript hacks to essentially have the same right. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I think adding separate rollback rights is a good idea. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Could you also vote on the RfC above? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 18:27, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

New IPs editing
Recently I have noticed a bunch of new IPs contributing a large amount of content. What are your thoughts on this? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 19:53, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Why should we care?  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  20:12, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you think will get more regular users? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 20:14, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Humorous quotes
How am I meant to mark quotes as humorous? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 17:53, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, I don't personally think separating quotes in such a way is necessary, I'm open to seeing what others think though. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 19:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Official Mascot?
Do you think we should adopt a mascot? Feedback needed. – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 20:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, it's a shame this was unanswered for so long. What kind of mascot would it be? What would the idea consist of? Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 19:40, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I will be taking a break from editing for a while as I feel like I have started to develop a negative editing pattern, I also think I have gotten distracted from my original goals on Wikiquote. I will come back eventually. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 20:44, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, no worries, hope everything turns out ok and best of luck. Rubbish computer (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 21:00, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Also could you vote here? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 22:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Permission to use proxy
I would like to create an admin test account (like on Wikipedia) but if I did this using my actual IP address, then if the test account was IP blocked then I couldn't edit, so can I have permission to use some-sort-of proxy to do so? – Ilovemydoodle (Not WMF, Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus, Not a paid editor of Shueisha) (talk / e-mail) 21:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Desktop Improvements update
Hello. I wanted to give you an update about the Desktop Improvements project, which the Wikimedia Foundation Web team has been working on for the past few years. Our work is almost finished! 🎉
 * Making this the new default

We would love to see these improvements become the default for readers and editors across all wikis. In the coming weeks, we will begin conversations on more wikis, including yours. 🗓️ We will gladly read your suggestions!

The goals of the project are to make the interface more welcoming and comfortable for readers and useful for advanced users. The project consists of a series of feature improvements which make it easier to read and learn, navigate within the page, search, switch between languages, use article tabs and the user menu, and more. The improvements are already visible by default for readers and editors on more than 30 wikis, including Wikipedias in French, Portuguese, and Persian.

The changes apply to the [ Vector] skin only, although it will always be possible to revert to the previous version on an individual basis. [ Monobook] or [ Timeless] users will not notice any changes.


 * The newest features
 * Table of contents - our version is easier to reach, gain context of the page, and navigate throughout the page without needing to scroll. It is currently tested across our pilot wikis. It is also available for editors who have opted into the Vector 2022 skin.
 * Page tools - now, there are two types of links in the sidebar. There are actions and tools for individual pages (like Related changes) and links of the wiki-wide nature (like Recent changes). We are going to separate these into two intuitive menus.
 * How to enable/disable the improvements
 * It is possible to opt-in individually in the appearance tab within the preferences by selecting "". Also, it is possible to opt-in on all wikis using the global preferences.
 * On wikis where the changes are visible by default for all, logged-in users can always opt-out to the Legacy Vector. There is an easily accessible link in the sidebar of the new Vector.


 * Learn more and join our events

If you would like to follow the progress of our project, you can subscribe to our newsletter. You can read the pages of the project, check our FAQ, write on the project talk page, and join an online meeting with us.

Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 16:59, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Join us on Tuesday

Join an online meeting with the team working on the Desktop Improvements! It will take place on 28 June 2022 at 12:00 UTC and 19:00 UTC on Zoom. Click here to join. Meeting ID: 5304280674. Dial by your location. The following events will take place on 12 July and 26 July.

The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes will be taken in a Google Docs file and copied to Etherpad. Olga Vasileva (the Product Manager) will be hosting this meeting. The presentation part will be given in English. At this meeting, both Friendly space policy and the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces apply. Zoom is not subject to the WMF Privacy Policy.

We can answer questions asked in English and a number of other languages. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the talk page or send them to sgrabarczuk@undefinedwikimedia.org. We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:43, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Please don’t change anything, the design is perfect as it is. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 21:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ilovemydoodle, I understand that it is perfect for many advanced users. You will be able to keep the current skin. Our team has been working on a new version which does have better statistics, though. I hope that soon, all data proving that Vector 2022 is better will be easily available. I invite you to take a look at the project page and its various sub-pages describing individual features. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 21:56, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Which one will be the default for non-logged in users? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 22:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * As for my feedback (not to come off as angry, just my honest opinion):, I am worried for my health if this is set as the default, the few seconds between opening the site and logging in would cause for just about every millisecond out of the  I would be  to suffer through, now imagine that for every login over the life of every user. It's likely to result in total organ failure after even a nanosecond of seeing this utter garbage.  It would make regret ever editing here if have to stand the few seconds having even a single photon of this "improvement" in my eyes, let alone the  that I would be forced to suffer through. Absolutely disgusting, makes me want to wiki-vomit. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 22:16, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It fails at both form and function: It looks awful and it doesn’t work. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 22:26, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This so-call "improvement" is the greatest threat to this project. Seeing it for a mere few seconds has permanently damaged my eyes. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 22:30, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * :D Thanks for making this clear, @Ilovemydoodle. Let me reply with a bit of [humor] as well.
 * I understand. Vector 2022 has better statistics collected via API, it's based on research and about 20 communities use it already, but you may have very specific needs and it may be terrible for you. If it's so dangerous, then hard-save Vector 2010 as your skin in global preferences and you'll never see Vector 2022 again. I don't know if my message was clear: "default" doesn't mean that you'll have to use it. It just means that you'll use it unless you opt-out, in advance or after the change has been introduced for everyone else.
 * If you wanted to elaborate on what exactly you hate and why it's not working for you, please go ahead. Try to be as specific as it's possible for you. We're still working on the interface, so perhaps the list of unresolved issues will be shorter. Perhaps it's a matter of gadgets, etc. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 23:21, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * By default I mean if I’m not logged in which skin will I see? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 23:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The new one. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 16:47, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, here's what I don't like:
 * There was no need to move the logo, it just looks worse, I could at-least understand if there was something below it, but no, there isn't. All there is pointless whitespace.
 * Why did we remove of the blue borders? They look nice, and removing them just makes everything more confusing and ugly.
 * Why are the top icons all condensed? Probably because of the logo move (which was pointless to begin with), but there is still plenty of room.
 * Why are the icons redesigned? They look so much worse, bring back the old designs.
 * I noticed all of that (and a lot more) in less than five seconds. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 23:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Interesting, most of your points are related with the visual design, which is the last major thing we're focusing on, and we're doing it now. First, we focused on the functional changes, that is changes whose effectiveness is measurable. We were moving things around and checking if the statistics are better.
 * So now, we're discussing about the logo and blue borders. Go to that page, follow the instruction, check out all the options, and share your opinions.
 * Icons condensed - you mean the "sticky header" when you've scrolled the page past the page title?
 * Icons redesigned - which ones, specifically? I don't know if we've redesigned any.
 * Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 16:56, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I already submitted my opinions there, in-fact I was the second person. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 12:34, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, there is going to be massive backlash, like when Firefox changed their logo. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 12:35, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, is there an option for a wiki to opt-out of this? If Wikiquotians were dinosaurs, this catastrophe would be the Chicxulub. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 23:45, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Also I see no reason why known as "" needs to  our systems in the first place(note: after writing this I remembered that a "vector" is an actual term in computer viruses). I have always liked the design, one time I even decided to do a search online to see what people thought of it, and everyone seemed to like it for it's simplicity and utility, I think I only saw one negative opinion. Also, this seems to be a violation of WP:SLOP as I've never seen anyone ever request a redesign. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet of Antandrus) (talk / e-mail) 00:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You can personally dislike things, but first of all, we're still working on Vector 2022 and you can suggest changes. Secondly, if you never like it, you'll always be able not to use it. But we will be negotiating for the wiki to use it as the default. Soon, we'll share data proving that these changes are actually improvements. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 16:58, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Is there anyway you could disable Vector 2022 for my entire IP address? So, I don't have to see it even while logged out. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 05:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think there's no way to do this, @Ilovemydoodle. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 19:16, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Could it be hard-coded? – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 13:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not an engineer, and my knowledge on this is limited. Perhaps you would get some answers on w:WP:VPT? SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 23:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Could you ask there? (I'm not exactly sure what to ask there) – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 23:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * At this point I perceive no disadvantages, and some notable advantages to the changes proposed. ~ ♞☤☮♌︎Kalki ⚚⚓︎⊙☳☶⚡ 22:11, 28 June 2022 (UTC)