Wikiquote:Village pump archive 63

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“Wikiquote by now has become a reputable source - at least the English version.” (Originally: „Wikiquote ist inzwischen eine seriöse Quelle geworden – jedenfalls die englische Version, ...“) Gerald Krieghofer in Der Spiegel (This article is for subscribers only; however, I can provide gift links to the first three people asking for it.) SebastianHelm (talk) 21:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Wow, nice find, Sebastian! Good work on all us. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Creation of new templates
I don't think it's very controversial, but I wanted to give a heads up to the community that I've been creating a new kind of navigational templates that act as headers to navigate at the top of sequences of articles, such as South Park header, SpongeBob header, and The Simpsons header. This replaces text that was copied and pasted repeatedly in articles and I think it's nice if we keep the formatting consistent across these. I don't care that much how it looks as such, but if they look similar, I think that's preferable. Any feedback is welcome. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for creating the new navigational templates. Consistency in formatting is a good idea. I've checked them out and they look good to me. Let's keep up the collaborative effort! Saroj (talk) 17:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Danielle Jahnke
I don't think Danielle Jahnke is notable. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 20:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed - I've proposed it for deletion. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:48, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

New Rfa, if you want to participate
recently suggested announcing any new Request for Adminship here, so that more people have a chance for input. I have been active here for a few years, creating some content and doing some cleanup. We are a small wiki, so I am offering to pick up a mop to help out with the admin chores. If you want to ask questions or voice opinions, here is the page: Requests_for_adminship/HouseOfChange. Thanks for being part of this great project. HouseOfChange (talk) 16:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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Flood flag
I propose the creation of a new user group, "flood flag," on English Wikiquote to prevent repetitive changes from flooding the RecentChanges feed. This will streamline the feed and enhance the user experience for contributors. Saroj (talk) 03:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

The group can be added by sysops and removed by sysops and the users themselves. --Saroj (talk) 17:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Saroj, There is no consensus for Fabricator Task T351250 which you started merely two days after posting here. Can you please cancel it until such time that there is proper wq:consensus.
 * Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 03:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Comments

 * —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:14, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Lemonaka (talk) 10:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ottawahitech (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding this information, Saroj. I really have no idea what a "user group" is and how it works. I am speculating that if your suggestion gets implemented it would help those users who are looking at recent changes? Ottawahitech (talk) 17:52, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If the user is granted this right, their edits will not be shown in recent changes. They can then perform maintenance or repetitive tasks without tampering with recent changes. --Saroj (talk) 18:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Who would benefit from this? Sorry to be so obtuse. Ottawahitech (talk) 20:22, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I would like you to read this page for better information about this user group. --Saroj (talk) 16:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Saroj, Me too (I would also like to have enough volunteer time to read all the non-mainspace documentation available on WQ). However as it stands now I am way behind working on content additions that I was hoping to contribute today.
 * Thank you for providing the link above. Ottawahitech (talk) 21:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Saroj, I just realized that the link you provided for the Simple Wikipedia documentation about Flood flag does not work for me, even though I can find the page when I go to Simple. I hope I am making sense? (sorry I got logged off in the middle so forgive me if I do not make sense) Ottawahitech (talk) 21:54, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I fixed the link. It seems to be working now. --Saroj (talk) 02:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe the recent floods (AWB, Cat-a-Lot etc.) at this project suggests the need of such user group. MathXplore (talk) 05:40, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @MathXplore: How would the creation of a flood flag user group help you make better contributions to wikiquote? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:48, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If floods can be reduced by the flood flag, then it would make me easier to check the recent changes. MathXplore (talk) 03:17, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * - While I get the point that you wish to not have a flood of changes in the RC list, the down side I see to this approach is that when those users (myself being one of them that routinely works on categories, causing a lot of changes in short order) are not doing this work, their "non-mass change" edits will also be hidden. I don't think this is a good idea. If there was a way to hide only edits using AWB or Cat-a-lot I would support. ~ UDScott (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We can also choose to develop and approve bots for every type of AWB or Cat-a-lot action. MathXplore (talk) 03:19, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Any idea if it would be possible to make a tag for those and then ignore only those tags??? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:22, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to make tags, but I know that Wikimedia Commons have a specific tag for Cat-a-lot, can our admins import that feature to here? MathXplore (talk) 03:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Making AWB or Cat-a-Lot tags can be done. I'm just ignorant about if you can filter them out. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I have no idea for that. Should we contact Phab for such features? MathXplore (talk) 03:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If this user right is established, we can perform consistent editing actions (such as cleanup, categorization, etc.) without flooding the recent changes, making it easier to patrol the edits. Additionally, to use this feature responsibly, we may monitor users who have been granted this right to ensure that they do not abuse it. This practice is common in many wikis and proves to be beneficial. Saroj (talk) 20:40, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * pinging Saroj (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's my opinion, you can add such a right per request if you are not a sysop. If you are a sysop, you can add or remove yourself. If you feel that you may flood RC with numerous actions, you can add it before you take actions. Then you should remove your right just after you finish them at once. Granting such rights should be set to temporary, not permanent to prevent further disruptions. -‎ Lemonaka‎ 01:19, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That sounds fine, but how would one go about adding or removing oneself, as you suggest? Is it a simple change under one's preferences? Or something else? ~ UDScott (talk) 12:17, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

According to fabricator this proposal has received community consensus?
According to today's version of the Phabricator (see link to the right), there is consensus by this community to add a flood gate: How can this be true when I can clearly see 2 Opposes? Where is consensus defined?
 * "The English Wikiquote community has discussed enabling a flood flag user group. Here is the consensus of the community. The group can be added by sysops and removed by sysops and the users themselves."

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:17, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would share your concern that this topic is really not yet decided. But in reading further on the page, I see that the ticket is not currently closed, but rather has been moved from Stalled back to Open, so I believe the discussion can continue. ~ UDScott (talk) 12:15, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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Are song lyrics allowed?
Hey folks, new guy here ... I looked through "What Wikiquote is/is not" and didn't see it mentioned, so I'm asking here: May song lyrics be included as quotations? I hope so; I just added a few lines from Pink Floyd's song "Time" to this Category article. If it's not OK, please just revert, no hard feelings. Also, I wrestled with the formatting without much success ... if anyone can fix/improve the way this entry appears, please do, and if necessary, tell me how it should be done. Thanks! Yesthatbruce (talk) 03:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes, song lyrics are the same in principle as other material that is likely to be copyrighted, so please just make sure that you're sticking to actually quotable lyrics and not just copy/pasting everything from the Internet indiscriminately. Happy to have you, B. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. Will do re copyright; it's important. And I now realize that I was looking at a Category page, as opposed to a page about a person, such as Bob Dylan, whose page includes trillions of lyrics. Duh. Yesthatbruce (talk) 12:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hindsight is 20/20. I appreciate anyone brave enough to ask a good faith question on the Internet. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

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Include a Quote
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A former teacher of mine, Ramon A. Qeuevedo, that worked at Bebensee Elementary in Arlington, TX would say, "Of course you don't know it, it is called learning. if you knew it, it would be called review.". or "of course you don't know it, it is called learning. if you already knew it, it would be called review." I see that one version of this quote is listed in Quotepark.com and the quote is attributed to him. What can I do to include the quote here?

Thank you, Gabby Estrada 1gabbyestrada (talk) 20:30, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

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Caption text is small compared to text in rest of article
Any idea how I can fix that? On the page Victor L Berger.

Thanks, IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The caption on the image is the standard size. It can be modified with CSS, but why is that necessary? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Just seems much too small, no? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 08:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That is a little tiny. Is it smaller than (e.g.) en.wp? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Paid editing
Paid editing is something I would like to know the definition of and how it differs from receiving financial benefit. For example, if you make residuals from having worked on a film, would it be paid editing to make changes to the wikiquote page for that film? If you work for a corporation isn't it a conflict of interest if you added nothing but negative quotes to the page for that corporation's main competitor? What if you're the mayor of a city, can you make edits to the page for that city? What if a family member benefits financially from your edits, like a mayor that benefits from the work of their child editing about their city, it seems pretty extreme to forbid people from editing certain topics because of circumstances beyond their control. Does being imprisoned for your edits count as a form of payment, it does result in food and shelter you might not otherwise have? If jail somehow counts as a form of payment than wouldn't being a slave count as paid editing? From my present, largely uninformed, point of view a strict definition of paid editing would effectively prevent scientists from writing about their areas of expertise and it would prevent most government employees from writing about pretty much anything, because it seems like pretty much everything has become politicized at this point. Is Wikiquote supposed to be like how the Olympics used to be, where only amateur athletes but not professional athletes were allowed to compete? Also doesn't reporting someone getting paid for editing require evidence of their identity, which means by reporting them you are doxing them? I thought that was against the rules here as well. CensoredScribe (talk) 15:08, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WQ inherits its "paid editing" guideline from Wikipedia, so reading that will answer some of your questions. Doxxing is indeed a much bigger violation of policy than "conflict of interest" editing. HouseOfChange (talk) 01:01, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It's hard to see how anyone could engage in a fruitful degree of paid editing on this particular project. I suppose a wealthy and widely-quoted person might want a page (low-visibility as it may be), or may want to control contents of their pre-existing page. BD2412 T 02:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There's a much bigger likelihood of COI editing in a negative way -- for example, the George Galloway article. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The idea of the MO for paid editing being limited to self-portraiture or character assassination is a very limited way of looking at this issue, however the unlikeliness of this rule actually being effectively enforced unless someone self incriminates by posting a photograph onto Wikiquote of themselves being handed money by their financial benefactor (who is also on camera), while publishing an edit with their other hand, makes my concern for this issue laughable. It's a serious issue, but the enforcement of it is essentially nonsensical if it depends entirely on confessions. It also doesn't account for being paid not to edit, like if you work for someone famous that would prefer you not be talking about them on social media, or if you work in the government and your boss doesn't like your politics because it makes your organization look bad. CensoredScribe (talk) 22:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikiquote as homework
Would it be against the rules here for a teacher to assign contributing quotations to Wikiquote as homework for their class? Would it make a difference whether the teacher themselves was a contributor? Does the age of the students make a difference? I personally think this would be a bad idea, however that's different than being against the rules. CensoredScribe (talk) 16:58, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Episode Quote Limit
I have taken issue with the “only two quotes per episode” rule, especially since there are so many pages that have already broken this rule and nobody has done anything about them. Can we raise the limit to something like twenty? As long as we’re not posting the entire script, it should be fine. 2603:7000:1200:825A:4511:238F:3F2C:426A 22:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Can we please lift the “only two quotes per episode” rule. Two episodes per quote is too few in my opinion, and what if there’s a memorable quote someone wants to post but can’t because there’s already two quotes for the episode? People told me that it’s because there’s risk of the site being shut down if too much copyrighted material is posted, but that’s never happened as far as I can tell. Besides, there’s people who treat the Family Guy Seasons 8 and 9 pages very seriously with this rule, but every other page for the show is ignored. Either we enforce this rule consistently, or we significantly relax, if not out right abolish it. Which one is it? —This unsigned comment is by 2600:1017:b835:be2:c889:d83f:2bb:361a (talk • contribs) 13:39, 20 April 2024.

Template:Wikiquotelang
Hi, is it possible to add Bengali Wikiquote (বাংলা) in there? We recently crossed 1K mark. Thanks. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * শুকরিয়া/মারহাবা! —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Koavf, The code is wrong, should be "bn" (not bg), you can add something like this. Thanks. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 00:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * D'oh. Thanks again. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Two quotes per episode is too few.
Can we please lift the “only two quotes per episode” rule. Two episodes per quote is too few in my opinion, and what if there’s a memorable quote someone wants to post but can’t because there’s already two quotes for the episode? People told me that it’s because there’s risk of the site being shut down if too much copyrighted material is posted, but that’s never happened as far as I can tell. Besides, there’s people who treat the Family Guy Seasons 8 and 9 pages very seriously with this rule, but every other page for the show is ignored. Either we enforce this rule consistently, or we significantly relax, if not out right abolish it. Which one is it? Playland1998 (talk) 15:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that we need to avoid violating copyright, but where in policy or elsewhere is there a "two quotes per episode" rule? HouseOfChange (talk) 02:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Please refer to WQ:LOQ (and the associated talk page). There have also been numerous discussions on this topic elsewhere (see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, Quality and Quantity, and I am sure there are more in the archives - I will keep looking and update if I find others). Much of this discussion originated when a sister project in France was threatened with complete shutdown. There had been discussion about relaxing this restriction (I believe 5 per 1/2 hour episode and 10 per hour episode had been put forward), but we never got consensus. The Limits on Quotations page is a proposed guideline - it never got enough traction to become official policy. But that being said, the community consensus seemed to be that we need some limits so that we can maintain reasonable pages - there was also discussion that even if limits did not prevent bloat that appears on many TV show pages, that the criterion of quotability should also be applied and would likely limit some of the additions by applying that lens. The idea of this site is to post a selection of notable quotes - not full scripts of films or TV shows. Despite the seemingly arbitrary nature of selecting a numerical limit for quotes, it does seem to have benefitted our film and TV show pages in particular, keeping them to a manageable length and level of quality. I do feel there is some leeway we should have for film pages (especially established classics like Casablanca), but for TV shows (that have so many hours or material), it seems like it would be a bit absurd to allow an unlimited amount of quotes per episode. ~ UDScott (talk) 14:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * My problem is that the people in this website aren’t truly practicing what they preach, and it’s just not fair. It’s only those two specific Family Guy pages that have the most restrictions from other people, while everything else is just left alone. Long ago, I anonymously added the entire story of how Debbie Grund was killed to the page on King of the Hill's fourth season, and last I checked, no one has deleted it. Playland1998 (talk) 14:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

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Richard Nixon and Category:Richard Nixon
At d:Special:Diff/2134319560, I was alerted that Category:Anti-Semites is added to these pages. The main article was made first, and I made the category by copying all categories from the main article (I didn't notice about Category:Anti-Semites until the message). I'm not sure if the enwiki article supports this categorization. Should we remove Category:Anti-Semites from these pages? MathXplore (talk) 05:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Is dating someone just because they edit Wikiquote paid editing?
I was wondering if I could go out on a date with someone without it being a violation of the rule against paid editing. I'm assuming not everyone here is single and that those who are in a relationship currently wouldn't be willing to break up with their partner just so they'd be allowed to continue to edit Wikiquote. I mean, how am I even supposed to know if the only reason someone is dating me is because I edit Wikiquote? I would prefer to date someone who sees enough value in this website that they themselves would like to contribute, but I wouldn't want to make it a necessary condition for them having a relationship with me. I would be pretty heartbroken to find out I was being objectified in a relationship just because of one of my attributes, or that someone was getting paid to date me, but there's no guarantee I'd be able to figure it out if they were. As a follow up question, would mandatory celibacy even be a rule we could officially implement? What about a new rule that excludes editors based off their gender, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity or some other status that is typically protected against harassment; is that something Wikiquote could technically do, or would Wikimedia object to us promoting blatantly discriminatory values that are contrary to theirs? People often mention that we are not Wikipedia, but just how different from them are we allowed to be? I can't imagine something like that going very well with the media, and although Wikiquote might not get mentioned in the news, Wikimedia is, and it receives a lot of donations that it might not otherwise receive if one of the websites it operates starts discriminating against people. I'm just trying to follow the rules and maybe introduce someone to this cool hobby of mine that everyone here shares, but when the rules are vaguely worded and no one responds to my questions it can be kind of difficult to know what is and isn't allowed. CensoredScribe (talk) 14:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Is this a joke? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No, it's fear, but I'd settle on Black comedy. Wikiquote may not be very popular, however as several of the pages I've created for the abortion category contain more references than the corresponding Wikipedia pages, it is arguably one of the most comprehensive learning resources available for abortion on the internet as it combines text from both PubMed and Google Books. As such, it is a particularly well curated data set for an LLM. Given this is a civil rights issue and civil rights advocates have a history of being unjustly targeted by both criminal and law enforcement elements, I believe my increased concern is at least somewhat plausible. I'd make for a pretty terrible civil rights activist, but I'm a halfway decent scholar if you'd like to test my knowledge of the subject, not that civil rights has ever really come down to correctly answering test questions. I like editing Wikiquote and would like to continue to do so, I'm aware that what most people consider payment is financial transactions that have to be reported to the IRS as taxable income or gifts, not the amount of food you eat during a sleepover. I've been a bit on edge recently because it's an election year. CensoredScribe (talk) 23:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * My interpretation is that "Paid editing" involves getting money or whatever (a promotion, a date, etc.) in exchange for something you are being asked to do in a wiki project. If you already did some work here because you thought it improved the project, that is not "paid editing," even if some third party decides to reward you for what you have already done. That said, WQ articles are not set up to be a source of balanced or reliable information about Beauty, Truth, Abortion, etc. That's Wikipedia's goal, not something we could easily achieve. Creating a reliable guide to some topic entirely by cobbling together a lot of sourced quotable quotes would be like trying to build the Eiffel Tower out of matchsticks. HouseOfChange (talk) 14:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The fact that we have to have personal interpretations indicates that the rule is ambiguously worded. I wonder whether that is a communicative error on the part of the editor/editors who wrote that rule, or whether it's intentional to provide enough flexibility that essentially anything can be construed as paid editing. Is paid editing really dependent on the formation of a verbal contract? Isn't dropping a roll of cash in front of a cop as they go to arrest you still considered a bribe even if you didn't say anything? I said that most people wouldn't consider the food you eat while visiting a friend to constitute a bribe, but I don't think that most of the people here have read A Woman in Berlin either, even though the editors of Wikiquote are a particularly well-read group of people and a lot of them present themselves as being deeply concerned for civil rights and social justice. The formation of a verbal contract isn't necessarily a defining feature of bribery and the payment doesn't have to be taxable, it can be a perishable item such as food rations, or like you've mentioned, a promotion, a date or some other service. Paid editing is using the carrot, but what about using the stick? We can be blocked for using threatening language in a conversation with other editors on site, has done it to me before, but what about using threatening language off site? Isn't mentioning offsite activity that reveals details of an editor's identity usually considered doxing them? It's kind of hard to enforce a rule regarding off site behavior when our most important rule is respecting everyone's privacy. It doesn't really matter if offsite harassment is against the rules or not if talking about it is considered the worse offense. Should we be going to the police or journalists instead if that ever happens to us? It would be shameful if that was Wikiquote's first time being talked about in the news. Threats can, and usually are, vaguely worded; similarly, you can imply a bribe without specifically spelling it out for people, it doesn't have to be as obvious as "If you do X I will give you Y". As for Wikiquote being less balanced than Wikipedia and more cobbled together, Wikipedia attempts to have a neutral point of view while Wikquote is made up of people's points of view, but they are both cobbled together from references to sources that a teacher would consider acceptable to include in a term paper, unlike Wikipedia which is not, and for good reason. Wikipedia summarizes references in much the same way that a streaming service summarizes episodes of a TV show or films. A lot of the nuance of language is lost in creating a brief synopsis of the works of others and in the case of entertainment most of the plot points are simply glossed over. There aren't a lot of Wikipedia pages that are edited solely by one person, but there are several Wikiquote pages with only one editor, I know this from personal experience being one of those lone editors. It seems that not a whole lot of people here seem to be interested in spending their time creating or improving articles about abortion, for whatever reasons those might be. Keep in mind that Wikipedia does not actually adhere to the Fairness doctrine which stipulated giving equal airtime to both sides of an issue, Wikipedia emphasizes facts, which is a point of view, whereas following the Fairness doctrine means giving equal weight to the words of a NASA astronaut and a moon landing denier. If you look at the Wikipedia page for the moon landing you will see that is not the case. The page for Treatment and management of COVID-19 mentions Ivermectin, but it does so in a section labeled ineffective treatments. If you believe in facts, then you are biased, NPOV may not be the ideal that you think it is, it's not very well defined. CensoredScribe (talk) 21:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Since Poetlister case, wikiquote has engaged in enough off-wiki issues that has effect on wiki. You can date with someone, nobody disallows you to do so. However, trying to make promotion about the one you date is COI. As for BIAS and POV, just take a look on Israel -Hamas related content, Russia -Ukraine related articles. There's something more serious always just happening on this project. -‎ Lemonaka‎ 22:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

,, ; as the three of you are administrators, tell me what you would think of the following scenario which is neither complex nor hypothetical. I show some of my contributions to someone who believes in reproductive rights and in social media such as Wikiquote as an effective means of education and outreach, they are impressed enough by what I've done that they decide to let me stay at their house and continue to create pages about reproductive rights because they share my concerns for the future. Is that paid editing, yes or no? If you have different answers to this question, than why is there that little consensus among the Wikiquote administrators as to what paid editing even means? Anyone else can free to state their "interpretation" as well, although unless they are also administrators who are tasked with enforcing the rules here when they are broken, there opinion will not mean much to me, even if it's Jimmy Wales. CensoredScribe (talk) 02:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The answer to your original question is no. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * by original question do you mean, "I show some of my contributions to someone who believes in reproductive rights and in social media such as Wikiquote as an effective means of education and outreach, they are impressed enough by what I've done that they decide to let me stay at their house and continue to create pages about reproductive rights because they share my concerns for the future. Is that paid editing, yes or no?" I'm still a bit confused why if someone gave me three thousand dollars to pay the rent for a New York City apartment so I can edit Wikiquote fulltime it's paid editing, but if they own their own New York City apartment and let me stay there rent free so I can edit Wikiquote fulltime, it's not paid editing. They both sound like a gift of three thousand dollars that is being given in exchange for edits that haven't happened yet, the only difference is that I don't have to report the second one to the IRS, but as has made clear, they interpret paid editing to include services that lack any financial value whatsoever, like going on the world's cheapest date. I hope that HouseOfChange isn't in charge of interpreting and enforcing the legal definition of prostitution. CensoredScribe (talk) 14:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with Justin, no. HouseOfChange (talk) 14:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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Copyvio?
Aren't this copyvio? আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 21:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * No, the original source is The History of India, as Told by Its Own Historians. The History of India, as Told by Its Own Historians is a set of eight volumes published between 1867–1877 in London. Any book published in the 19th century is not a copyvio. It would be better to first ask on the talkpage of the article. However, some copyediting is still needed and is work in progress. --ᘙ (talk) 21:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Not copyvio then but quotes should not be that long, it's very hard to follow. You know Wikisource exist for this type of book. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 00:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The India they saw: Foreign accounts is a compendium of quotes on India, in which the same extract is quoted in full. This means that at least another published editor found this particular episode interesting, quotable and coherent enough to quote in full. Smaller parts of the episode have of course been quoted often elsewhere. But the extract could be split into smaller quotes and perhaps trimmed, to make it more readable. As I said in my last reply the article still needs copyediting and is work in progress. I will have a few more tries at the article when I find the time. Thanks for reminding me. --ᘙ (talk) 09:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

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Policy change proposal: More quotes per episode
I’ve been trying to add more quotes to the pages for Family Guy's eighth and ninth seasons, but people kept preaching to me that there should only be two quotes per half-hour episode, or else they will get a copyright claim. Anonymous user 100.8.243.246 said to me on UDScott’s talk page that the event it never happens is “unlikely”, but cannot disagree with him more. The page for Season 18 for example has 14 quotes for the episode The Movement, and not a single copyright claim has happened to that. I also added the entire story of Debbie Grund’s death to King of the Hill’s fourth season, and guess what people did about it? Nothing! Besides, why would anyone copyright claim this website anyway, when there are so many other quote websites that are just left alone?

So I’m coming up with a new proposal to raise the maximum number of quotes per episode, since not a single copyright claim has happened to Family Guy Season 18 or King of the Hill Season 4. The maximum number of quotes should be: five quotes for a show less than a half-hour long; 15 quotes for a half-hour; 20 quotes for an hour; 25 quotes for an hour and a half; 30 quotes for two hours; and 40 quotes for 3 hours. Because since no one is copyright claiming those pages, then why should we even care?

P.S. I expect a satisfactory response as soon as possible. I don’t like it when people ignore my words. Playland1998 (talk) 02:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * A slight increase might be OK but fifteen quotes per half hour seems much too high. HouseOfChange (talk) 03:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * How about ten? Playland1998 (talk) 16:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It would be more convincing if most tv show articles were attempts at offering quotable lines instead of just recording dialogue.  G M G  talk  16:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikiquote doesn't have all that many active users, but this is an issue people might realistically vote on in mass, given how much activity on this website concerns television shows. This is just my assessment, but we seem to favor movies over TV, and video games and comic books are largely dismissed despite modern video games being comparable in length to novels in their word count and a large portion of the movies coming out being based on comics. If you think we can normally interest a group of twelve people for a vote on anything than you are sorely mistaken, but raising this issue might actually accomplish that. CensoredScribe (talk) 23:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It may not have that many active users, but my complaint is that whatever users are active only focus on those two specific Family Guy pages, while leaving everything else I edited unchanged. Either ALL pages follow these quote limit rules or none of them do, and I am definitely in favor of the latter option. Playland1998 (talk) 17:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There’s nothing wrong with providing context. Just don’t post the entire script. Playland1998 (talk) 22:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Getting started
Hi. I've been editing the English Wikipedia for a while now and decided to check out Wikiquote. Is there anything like the Task Center where I can find things to do? Thanks.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 08:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikiquote. We are a small project, without a Task Center as far as I know. Most people work on pages about things/people where they already have some knowledge and some interest. Another source of inspiration can be news stories that contain quotable quotes from notable people. I hope you will find areas you enjoy working on and decide to stay. HouseOfChange (talk) 17:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Announcing the first Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee
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The final text of the Wikimedia Movement Charter is now on Meta
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