Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/2023 Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis

2023 Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis
Topic too narrow. Any notable/quotable quotes on topic can go in 2023 Israel Hamas war article. So far, this article has just prosy unquotable pieces of POV-pushing, so I am not proposing merge. — HouseOfChange (talk) 17:16, 25 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @HouseOfChange: Can you please explain what point you feel am I pushing? As I have already said before on more than one occasion, you are welcome to balance this article with whatever quotes you feel will represent the opposite of my view. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 03:25, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * "Topic is too narrow" is the main point here. IMO, not one of the "prosy unquotable" quotes in it needs to be merged into anywhere else. Your particular POV doesn't matter to me. For example, how is this a quotable quote? Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu credited Joe Biden with improving the terms of the agreement, so that it had “more hostages and lower costs”. How is this an appropriate citation for its (non-notable) source? according to LIVE Israel's cabinet approves deal to release hostages during pause in fighting (1 hour ago) What kind of a "quotable quote" is this? [He says that he] sincerely [hopes that the hostage release agreement] will be actually executed. [And he hopes the results of negotiations will be seen in] next few days. How is this a quotable quote, and for that matter WTF is it doing in an article whose theme is hostages? That might be wishful thinking, Mark. There are a lot of innocent people being killed by bombs that Israel is raining down upon Gaza, and even if, as I know the IDF believes that Israel has killed 5,000 members of Hamas, that’s thousands of innocent people, including women and children, babies, that Israel has killed. Even if it’s an accident, even if it’s collateral damage, izat’s a lot of innocent lives that have been killed by Israel. Etc. HouseOfChange (talk) 13:31, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * RE: this article has just prosy unquotable pieces of POV-pushing
 * @HouseOfChange: You say above that this is not the main point of your nomination. If so, why bring it up at all?
 * The same question to the admin who voted: Delete if others agree this is an obvious POV-pushing... Ottawahitech (talk) 04:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I "bring it up" that the article has NO useful quotes to merge because I suggest it be deleted, not merged. WQ is not a sampler of random opinions about an ongoing news event. As for the POV being pushed by these non-quotes: that Hamas should release hostages, that Israel is bombing innocents, and the Biden is unfairly blamed for a problem he is working to solve. The point is NOT that this POV is wrong. The point is that the "quotes" are not notable, not quotable, and therefore don't belong in WQ. HouseOfChange (talk) 16:37, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Vote closes: 18:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete if others agree this is an obvious POV-pushing, if no consensus got, at least Merge to 2023 Israel-Hamas war, too few quotes. -‎ Lemonaka‎ 07:19, 26 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per w:wp:Hey Ottawahitech (talk) 01:27, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge - I don't see the need to have a separate page for this topic, when it is really part of the larger article. ~ UDScott (talk) 12:27, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has separate articles for both, so why not wikiquote? Ottawahitech (talk) 04:29, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * As I said, I do not see the need to separate this specific aspect of the larger topic into a separate page. It is also not clear for some of the quotes why they wouldn't be on the other page anyway. Just because WP sees fit to create two pages does not mean we need to here. If the consensus is to keep them separate, then so be it. I registered my opinion that I don't see the need. ~ UDScott (talk) 19:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment about merging: Since I cannot find any ENWQ policy about merging, I thought I would invite those who believe merging is a good solution to participate in wq:Village Pump which is an ongoing discussion taking place currently at the ENWQ VP. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. These types of articles belong in the news, not in Wikiquote. And I'd think that it would be near impossible to present this without violating NPOV. The last thing we want is for Wikiquote to be taken over by political posturing, of any stripe (right, left, center, insane). That's what the rest of the internet is for. Markjoseph125 (talk) 00:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * So, you are saying that it is OK for enwp to have "news" articles, but not enwq? Not just this particular page, but also all other pages that have recent (needs definition) quotes? If so, why is that? Ottawahitech (talk) 20:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Because this is Wikiquote, not Wikinews. Wikipedia is encyclopedic, so extra, more "newsy" items there aren't quite as egregious. Markjoseph125 (talk) 01:06, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Markjoseph125: What about pages about movies, video games, medicine, anime, ... the list goes on and on. Do you think we should delete them all, or only these two articles that I happened to start about the Israeli hostages still held by Hamas and no one knows whether they are still alive and few are asking questions, and a second about a hospital explosion in Gaza that no one can agree whether it was Israel or Hamas who caused it and again looks like the press has lost interest. To me these are the perfect pages to keep, so when a member of this community happens to see a neglected report hidden from google somewhere that sheds light on these two issues, we will be ale to document it for the next generation of people seeking knowledge, instead of being buried in paywalls and propaganda.
 * Thanks in advance, and sorry for ranting which I am starting to into the habit of sigh... Ottawahitech (talk) 14:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually, I've rued the endless pages about uninteresting and unnecessary TV shows, movies, and (especially) video games on a number of occasions, and nominated for deletion a few of the most egregious. It's not that they're not notable (in our "culture" anything video is supposedly important)--they are, and most have Wikipedia pages--but they lack quotability. The video game pages have too many short, uninteresting phrases; the movie pages too much routine dialogue. But, I can't spend all my time editing Wikiquote (I find the deletion process tedious). So, I concentrate on the more egregious violations of what I see as Wikiquote's remit, which is why I make more of an effort to remove politically charged "issues of the day," most of which belong more on Wikinews than here.
 * Remember, quotability is one of the criteria. For example: "But why isn't it so easy that we can do that? It's because we don't know where they are. And I have been in those tunnels that are massive, that are sophisticated, and that Hamas uses to hide equipment and ammunition and to do their dirty work and maybe to have those hostages." This is not something that anyone is likely to remember or quote. It's just a news fact, we don't know where the tunnels are. Um, OK. Compare this to a quote I'm soon going to put up on a new page for Jay Lake: "Horn could hear the click of the dice that made up the multiverse. Beneath the struggles of gods and men and monsters, behind the powers of magic and prayer and bared blade, chance governed all."
 * I'll try to stop overusing the word "egregious" now... Best Wishes, Markjoseph125 (talk) 16:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Markjoseph125, I have removed a large part of the Nikki Haley quotes which you complained about. Is this better now? Ottawahitech (talk) The quote from Nikki Haley is quite quotable.18:58, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ottawahitech, Hello again!
 * I've removed a number of quotes of the "we hope this will be over soon" variety; something any politician could say, and with which no one would disagree. In other words, they lack quotability. I've also cleaned up the spelling and references.
 * That said, I still don't see any reason to keep this article; as UDScott remarks above, there doesn't seem to be any reason these quotes could not be copied over into the article on the war, and this article deleted. Markjoseph125 (talk) 20:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep Politicians worldwide have opined on the hostage crisis specifically, so I don't see why we couldn't get together a good collection of quotes about this subject. Ficaia (talk) 05:22, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Backgrounder: From the River to AfD Ottawahitech (talk) 14:42, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Question: This VFD is still active, so why has an enwq admin  already delete the article on February 2nd?
 * @Ottawahitech Please read deletion logs. I didn't delete that page, Per consensus of sysops, I moved it to draft namespace. Unless POV issue is solved, Special:PermanentLink/3457748 -‎ Lemonaka‎ 02:21, 13 February 2024 (UTC)