Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/A Christmas Carol (1984 film)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: delete. BD2412 T 21:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

A Christmas Carol (1984 film)
Nothing quotably original here. Why quote this derivative rather than the original Dickens? — Ningauble 16:40, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 17:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as nom. ~ Ningauble 16:40, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If this is a faithful adaptation, redirect to the original. If an adaptation of a work contains no quoteworthy quotes not derived from the original, I would suggest that our rule should be to redirect to the original. That way, if anyone is looking for quotes from the work, they will find them. I realize this will create some burden to demonstrate that an adaptation is faithful, but I think we can presume this to be the case unless someone can point to a specific quote in the adaptation not found in the original. BD2412 T 22:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: The film is noted for fidelity to Dickens' text. Most of the quotes in the current article are taken verbatim, abridged, or closely paraphrased from the following text in Dickens' work:


 * "Bah!", said Scrooge. "Humbug!" – §1 (Repeated: Scrooge [...] said "Bah!" again and followed it up with "Humbug!" – ibid.)
 * "If I could work my will", said Scrooge indignantly, "every idiot who goes about with 'Merry Christmas' on his lips should be boiled with his own pudding, and buried with a stake of holly through his heart." – §1
 * "Spirit!", he cried, tight clutching at its robe. "Hear me! I am not the man I was. [...] I will live in the Past, the Present, and the Future. The Spirits of all Three shall strive within me. – §4 (partially repeated in §5)
 * Another idol has displaced me [...] A golden one. [...] "the master-passion, Gain, engrosses you. – §2
 * Forbear that wicked cant until you have discovered What the surplus [population] is, and Where it is. – §3
 * It was always said of him, that he knew how to keep Christmas well, if any man alive possessed the knowledge – §5


 * This leaves two "original" quotes:
 * "Almost carries no weight, especially in matters of the heart." – condensing the narrative of §2 into a cliché.
 * "They are hidden. But they live. Oh, they live." – replacing the forceful exhortations from the conclusion of §3 with hackneyed exposition.
 * I don't think the pair of interpolations above are quoteworthy at all, certainly not enough to justify an article devoted to deviations in an adaptation that follows the original closely. ~ Ningauble 16:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think in cases like this, minor deviations in adaptations can be reported on the page of the original work. We could either make a section if there are enough quotes, and redirect the title of this page to that section, or just put the variations in comments following the attribution. BD2412 T 21:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Query: Should this be closed as "no consensus?" I am not going to withdraw the nomination, even though it never even received a second, because I still believe there is nothing quotably original here. ~ Ningauble 21:11, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah sorry I somehow missed this one. Although the voting period has long passed, based on the above, I would have given a Delete vote. Perhaps the period should be extended? ~ UDScott 00:44, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There are so few active participants in project management and cleanup these days that I don't think we need to stand on ceremony. If there is a reasonable prospect of attaining consensus, I don't see a problem with leaving the discussion open for further input. ~ Ningauble 16:19, 26 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom as I support extending the period to discuss.--Jusjih 13:40, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. ~ UDScott 21:05, 26 March 2011 (UTC)