Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/BioShock

~ Ningauble 16:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

BioShock
Appears to be an indiscriminate list of nearly every quote, soundbyte, and tape diary in the game, and goes against our copyright policies. Delete, would you kindly? — Will (talk) 15:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 16:00, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Trim and keep. The remedy for an indiscriminate list is to make it discriminating. BD2412 T 18:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried to trim some of the garbage, but was reverted by an IP; vote changed to delete unless trimmed per InvisibleSun below. The current state is about as clear a copyright violation as we will see. BD2412 T 16:37, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Another change of vote - keep as trimmed (yes, I said trimmed again). Given the amount of playing time and the substantial quantity of well-written dialogue, I strongly agree with InvisibleSun's take on this task. I had tried to trim it down myself, but couldn't decide what was worth keeping! BD2412 T 03:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep but trim in accordance with our copyright policy, which is three quotes for an electronic game. - InvisibleSun 23:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete or Keep. Modified as per InvisibleSun. I know those are two opposites, but the consensus at Wikiquote (and from the "overseers" outside) seems to be that copyright issues are our #1 concern and need to be dealt with accordingly.  When we have a page that is so blatantly in contravention of copyright policy, it should   speedily deleted   completely brought up to code immediately (i.e., within hours of being noticed).  This is only so we can proverbially "put our money where our mouth is," and not allow the possibility that the obvious infringement sit around for 7 days in AfD and then squeak by on some variant of "Weak Keep to be tidied up," and then just stay the same.  This is an especial concern because the rules for video games are in the process of debate and as long as they aren't sorted out, this article probably won't be sorted out (see, for example Electronic games limit and the debate going on on various admins' talk pages).  IPs make this particularly difficult — If it has to be deleted to accord with policy, then it has to be, and it will have to grow back on its own. Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 06:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete unless trimmed. "Trim" is the wrong word, really: nearly 30% has been cut away already, but with more than 150 quotes the article is still more than an order of magnitude too long. Unless somebody selects a handful of quotes that are actually quotable outside the context of the game before this discussion closes, this should be deleted as grossly indiscriminate. ~ Ningauble
 * Keep as trimmed by InvisibleSun. A modest exception to out rule of thumb is justified for a work that is known for an unusually strong story, in relation to other works in the shooter genre. ~ Ningauble 13:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: This is why I had the unusual stance Speedy or Keep. There needs to be some sort of de facto standard (or an actual policy) created with respect to how to deal with situations like this arising in articles.  I'm still of the opinion that letting it sit to see what happens, even for only 7 days, is a questionable approach considering the blatant copyright concerns.  With further events like this, unless similar concerns are cleaned ASAP (i.e., if there's no one willing to clean them up immediately) then they may well need to be considered speedily deletable in the future.  Peace and Passion ("I'm listening....") 23:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: In light of the above discussion, I have trimmed the article. By current copyright guidelines, it should have been trimmed to three quotes only; but because of our ongoing discussion about possibly changing the limits for electronic games, I have left more. Their number can always be increased or reduced when a guideline has been agreed upon. (My standard for the current trimming was that most of the quotations were plot-heavy, requiring too much knowledge of the story and characters to be appreciable to a general reader.) - InvisibleSun 03:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC)