Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Bob Green

Bob Green
While his quotes may be amusing, I do not believe this person is notable enough to have a page here. — UDScott 14:01, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 15:00, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No Delete Both Dan Quayle and Rodney Dangerfield have quotes with evidence from Youtube videos. Does it really hurt to keep this page? rplankenhorn 15:42, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. ~ UDScott 14:01, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't know that this person isn't notable, but Youtube videos are not evidence of it. I would change my vote if significant third-party support could be found. BD2412 T 15:36, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Shifting to neutral in light of changes made. Here is what I would recommend:
 * Fix those citations; they should include the name of the article, reporter if indicated, and date of publication (all of this is usually on the reporting website).
 * Make an "about" section and add those descriptive comments cited below.
 * Get rid of the youtube stuff unless another source can be found for it. Cheers! BD2412 T 17:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Googling is hazardous with such a common name but I find no evidence of notability.--Longfellow 15:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: This search indicates reliable mention of coach Green as a quotable fellow, at least around the time of his recent retirement (San Jose Mercury News, 11/30/2010: "the sporting world lost a quote machine" The Independent Florida Alligator, 12/1/2010: "the Vince Lombardi of NAIA postgame press conferences" The Seattle Times, 11/25/2010: "the quick-lipped football coach" Sports Illustrated, 11/18/2010: "a true wordsmith"), but I am not comfortable having the entire article sourced to a single yootoob video. This article could be rescued. ~ Ningauble 18:10, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S.: I am not sufficiently interested in sporting wisecrackers (just a matter of taste) to research whether this is just passing interest on the occasion of his retirement, or whether reliable sources find timeless quotability here. Compare the widely quoted Yogi Berra, who is beloved by many who have no interest in sports whatsoever. ~ Ningauble 17:01, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I cleaned it up a bit and included the articles that Ningauble found.  Honestly though, even if you don't like quotes being sourced from youtube clips, is there a better way to show that the person actually said those things than to have a clip of the guy saying the quotes? -rplankenhorn 20:20, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the better way is to cite reliable editorial sources, using media clips as supplementary links. Although it does not appear to be the case here, contributors have occasionally cited spoofs or hoaxes on Yootoob as sources. ~ Ningauble 17:04, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I would add that the same reasoning explains why we do not include every word ever written by Shakespeare. There is no question that the Bard of Avon is notable, but there are plenty of things that he said that history has not deemed particularly quoteworthy. In terms of the subject of the article under discussion here, the question is not only whether he is notable, but which quotes of his have been deemed notable by reliable sources. BD2412 T 17:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I think the issue is more that Youtube doesn't prove that the person is notable enough for an article here. If someone has an article I'd be content to use Youtube to source further quotes. I'm still unsure about notability but am open to persuasion.--Longfellow 14:50, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Even when a person is notable, not everything someone on a social website found interesting is necessarily quotable. For off-the-cuff remarks in particular, reliable editorial sources are always better (especially those that demonstrate their reliability by identifying the origin of the quote, as Yootoobers often do not). ~ Ningauble 17:04, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. A few retirement testimonials provide weak evidence of enduring quotability. ~ Ningauble 16:02, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: As the page is, I'd !vote weak delete, but with BD2412's suggested changes I would not object to keeping it. However, I don't have any more time right now to effect them myself, so for now I'll refrain from closing (to me the current consensus seems to be delete); if no one else has closed/made the changes/done something else when I come back I'll reevaluate. -Sketchmoose 17:41, 7 January 2011 (UTC)