Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Category:Family films

 The result was: Keep - based on a lack of consensus. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:15, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Category:Family films
As discussed on Category talk:Children's films, this category seems a bit redundant with that of Category:Children's films. I propose to merge whatever is not duplicated into that category and delete this one. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:21, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 21:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge and delete, as described above. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:21, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep There is a distinction between children's films (only suitable for children) and family films (suitable for all). However, it is a highly subjective term and I would recommend only using the category if there is a reliable third-party source calling it a family film.  For example, the Radio Times Film Guide says The Wizard of Oz is "the ultimatea family picture".--Collingwood (talk) 05:23, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Neutral. I think such a distinction exists, but I don't think it is reflected in the contents of the categories as they now stand. BD2412 T 06:03, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree, although it would be quite a lot of work to sort out.--Collingwood (talk) 20:55, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Would you say that it is more accurate to say that family films are a kind of children's films with broader appeal, or that children's films are a kind of family film with narrower appeal? Either way, I think we could maintain one of these as a subcategory of the other, which would eliminate any duplication in categories. BD2412 T 16:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd say a children's film is one aimed at, and mainly enjoyed by, children; a family film is one that is suitable for all ages.--Collingwood (talk) 21:57, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I would say that children's films are those which are accessible to children and family films are a subset that the rest of the family can also appreciate. Axiomatically, if it's not suitable for children then it's not suitable for the whole family. The converse (if it's not suitable for the whole family then...) is only true in the following sense: I submit that any good quality children's film can be enjoyed by the whole family, up to and including great grandpa; and what film distributors and film critics really mean when they say a film is also suitable for the rest of the family is that it is not one of those insipid or exploitative productions that lack any socially redeeming value. When a critic actually comes out and says a film is "not suitable for the rest of the family" it either means his/her inner child has been strangled by her/his own sphincter, or it means it's just a lousy film. Critics do make this kind of assessment, but it is not an appropriate basis for categorization at Wikipedia or here. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:59, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge and delete for the reason it was deleted four years ago at Wikipedia, i.e., it is just too subjective. Categorizing Children's films is, despite some grey areas such as cultural taboos or estimations of cognitive development, a relatively objective matter of whether a typical child can be expected to understand the story and its thematic content. Assessing whether the rest of the family might enjoy a film is an entirely subjective issue. Yes, critics and other commentators make this sort of assessment; but they also describe films as Good films and Bad films considering, among other things, whether anyone might enjoy them. Let's not go there. ~ Ningauble (talk) 21:38, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If we have a reliable source saying it's a family film or a children's film, we should accept that unless we have a contradictory source.--Collingwood (talk) 21:57, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge and delete, too subjective, agreed. -- Cirt (talk) 19:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)