Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Definitions of love in recordings

Definitions of love in recordings
Similar to the case made in this discussion, this page is outside the scope of this project. And I would delete all such pages, including Definitions of God in recordings, Definitions of death in recordings, Definitions of home in recordings, Definitions of world in recordings, Definitions of life in recordings, Definitions of time in recordings, Definitions of war in recordings, and Definitions of heaven in recordings. — UDScott (talk) 22:24, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 23:00, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. ~ UDScott (talk) 22:24, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. These examples are definitions: "something is something else". You may have heard, that Bob Dylan won the Nobel-prize in literature. "The times they're a-changin'". Also change the definitions of love and these other subjects. Perhaps in near future You can get married with a robot. The musicians are more popular than the writers. If Shakespeare would have written these examples, You wouldn't want to delete them. About 3000 times these sides have been visited. - It's ridiculous, that the English speaking people who are interested in literature in music, must come to Finnish Wikiquote (like with "Words displayed the first time in recordings")! And look at the 10 longest sides in Wikiquote: only Barack Obama -article is of real world; the others include citates of fictional characters. Who has written them? Purely commercial stuff! Why are turtle and Simpson citates more notable than Bob Dylan's ones? --84.248.33.254 23:07, 17 January 2017 (UTC) Sorry, I forgot to log in. So, if these are not worth keeping in en-Wikiquote, I'll copy these sides to fi-Wq. "Words displayed the first time in Finnish records" is the longest side in Suomi-Wikiq, and nobody has wanted to delete it. --Risto hot sir (talk) 23:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC) Found 9 sides of fictional last words. There are these kinds of masterpieces: "Aaaaarghhhh!". What would Oscar Wilde say? Intellectual suicide? If the Wikiquote prefers and tolerates such quotes, it's an honour to get kicked out. --Risto hot sir (talk) 17:30, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Many famous philosophical sentences are definitions. I think it is good many definitions of love are put together in one place. Everyone can compare them. Writing poetry is often finding new definitions for the things we know so well that we do not think about them. Such lists of definitions can be very interesting for psychologists, too. (Anagram16 (talk) 23:47, 19 January 2017 (UTC))
 * In point of fact, most of these are not famous philosophical sentences (or definitions). Those that are were widely quoted long before anyone recorded a song by the same title, by centuries or even, in the case of the Song of Solomon, by millennia. Famous philosophical sentences do belong in Wikiquote, but organizing them by and attributing them to appearances in the titles of recordings is contrary to Wikiquote's emphasis on understanding the origin of a quotation. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:27, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * P.S. You seem to be arguing that because they are definitions (which most of them are not) they are somehow inherently quoteworthy. This does not follow:  "Many famous philosophical sentences are definitions" is true enough; but the converse, that definitions are therefore famous philosophical sentences, is not. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:12, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all. These pages are outside the scope of this project: Cataloging the titles of recorded songs containing the word is reflects a misunderstanding of what is meant by a collection of notable quotations (and of what is meant by the word definition). ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:57, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom; these are not really quotes; also, the article title is misleading, as there is clear confusion between "definitions" and "descriptions". See love for actual definitions. BD2412 T 14:55, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, let's change the word 'definition' to 'description'! --Risto hot sir (talk) 15:14, 20 January 2017 (UTC) The question "why are the last words of fictional characters so important that they should exist in Wikiquote" is still unanswered. And what exactly is the scope of this project? Wikiquotes of other languages seem to have different scopes. --Risto hot sir (talk) 19:59, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Generally speaking, last words are complete quotes - that is, you could quote the statement as a whole, not as a fragment of a sentence. With respect to these "definitions" (or "descriptions") of love, if they are quotable, then the sentence containing the quote would be in the article, Love. BD2412 T 20:58, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps so, but doesn't the Stones' "Love is strong" tell more about love's nature than all the fictional characters together? I see that en-Wikiquote wants more to entertain than make people to think. --Risto hot sir (talk) 21:20, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * This page doesn't even say "Love is strong"; it merely says "strong". If "Love is strong" is an informative quote about love, then it should be in Love. These "Definitions of" pages could basically just be titled "Lists of random words". BD2412 T 04:21, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It would be boring to write all the songs begin "Love is". These words are mentioned above. --84.248.33.254 09:19, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The idea of Wikiquote is to collect carefully SELECTED sentences. Now the trend seems to be to write everything said in animations and soap operas. Their place is in Wikisource. Am I wrong? --Risto hot sir (talk) 10:38, 22 January 2017 (UTC) Still no answers! The reason might be, that the Wikiquote already has lost the battle: it would take too much work to clean all the so called "quotations". But other languages' Wikiquotes can regard this as a warning example. --Risto hot sir (talk) 17:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * "Love is ... strong" is something that even an inarticulate 5 year old could say. Hardly very thoughtful. And all of your "quotations" are unsourced (a date alone is not enough). ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:19, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Very many sources said "Love is strong" long before anyone used it as a song title, long before the phonograph was even invented. A lot of sources over the centuries expressly cite or allude to Song of Solomon 8:6, but it may well predate the invention of writing for the reason DanielTom indicates. Attributing it to The Rolling Stones is ludicrous. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:50, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * "Love is strong" is only one example. There are many others that 5 years olds can't say. I think Mick Jagger has written good texts. Are the endless conversations between Shrek and an animated donkey thoughtful? Must I really seek the record companies and so on? Just google "Fono" and You can check the songs from a database. You see only trees, not the forest. --Risto hot sir (talk) 21:39, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) W:WP:OSE. 2) Yes, full citations are required. ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:48, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * This is not so important to me, that I would do that kind of hard work. The material can be found elsewhere. --Risto hot sir (talk) 22:08, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Up to you. My point is that any article with no sourced quotes will eventually be deleted. Don't take it personally. ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:27, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * When selecting quotations we should consider their notability: can they be used in books, newspapers etc. Animated characters hardly reach this criteria. Now the Wikiquote is like a shack full of hay, and it's difficult to find the golden needles. What's Your opinion? I'm afraid no answers will be seen - that has happened before with English, Simple English and Swedish palindrome sites. Silence is golden? --Risto hot sir (talk) 11:01, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Mdd (talk) 15:39, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * That's not an argumented opinion! --Risto hot sir (talk) 21:12, 25 January 2017 (UTC) In fi-Wikiquote is a conversation going on, about Kalevala - which J. R. R. Tolkien found very interesting. The whole Kalevala can be read in Wikisource, so why should parts of it exist in Quote? On OTHER sites good Kalevala-quotations are of course welcome. --Risto hot sir (talk) 21:35, 25 January 2017 (UTC) I consider this side as a project: everyone can add the sources and correct the years, they can be years when recorded or published. I heard that every day about 10 000 new songs are being available, so help is needed! --Risto hot sir (talk) 08:23, 26 January 2017 (UTC) The last vote came too late. Where's the "Definitions of hell in recordings" now? Also "To be or not not be" has surely been said long before Shakespeare, but it's the first documented sentence. That's the same with recordings. --Risto hot sir (talk) 18:10, 11 February 2017 (UTC)