Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Dragon Ball Z

~ Jeff Q (talk) 09:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Z
Bordering on copyright, page is nearly 300 kbs and has to be get rid off & broken down to much less like the talk page says. I don't think we wanna get sued by akira Toriyama, do we for this? Sk8terhata 19:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 20:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC).
 * Delete by my vote. Sk8terhata 19:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - There's no reason to delete it. Split it, yes, but not delete. And what copyright do you keep refering to? // Decaimiento  Poético  19:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment what are you talking about? so YOU wanna get sued? I sure don't so it has to be deleted and then split. Almost 300 kbs of copyright infringement, hello? Sk8terhata 19:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm saying that we can keep the DBZ page as a sort of disambiguation page and have the movies/specials/sagas/etc split into different pages. And I'm not quite sure what you're saying after your second question. But all I know is that if Dragon Ball Z suffers from "copyright infringement," Naruto, Bleach, Black Cat, and Inuyasha (to name a few) all do as well. // Decaimiento  Poético  20:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep for now, possibly splitting between TV series, movie, and/or special. I agree this page is excessively long, but that's a content issue. I don't believe we've tried hard (or successfully) enough to reduce it before considering deletion. Also, some of the participants in this debate seem to be relatively new editors more interested in fighting with each other than learning basic Wikiquote requirements and expectations, making me doubt the sincerity of this nomination. (Just as an example, the nominator has modified this page three times and resurrected it once after I deleted it as a bad-faith nomination, and still failed to follow all the instructions at the top (placing it in the wrong position this time, despite a bolded statement of where to place it). I think the community might be better served by asking for the editors to back off for two weeks and having more experienced editors do some serious reduction. Jeff Q (talk) 21:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep I really don't think we should be deleting the page. If we have to maybe we could keep all the quotes and make season pages. Recooome
 * Just keep it I could do a lil' somethin' somethin' to help out. Just tell me what. Don't delete it. Brendan Filone 02:57, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What needs doing is a severe reduction in quotes. To try to avoid copyright infringement, we typically recommend having no more than 3-5 quotes from single short works like TV show episodes or comic book issues. (Note that this is no guarantee that we will avoid copyvio problems, but it demonstrates due diligence in trying to prevent copyvio.) The idea is to include only a few of the quotes most memorable to a general audience (not just a fan base). This also means removing anything that requires too much context, is too aural or too visual to understand without observing the original work, or is only of interest to fans (like callbacks or other inside jokes). And anything that is not original with the work or is simply a short, common expression should be removed. Most works worth quoting have sufficient material to be quotable without any of these kinds of quotes. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep now. I confess however I am not happy with the current organization of this article. There are too much staff from various sources unsorted.
 * For your information, Akira Toriyama' creation isn't Dragon Ball Z, but Dragon Ball. DBZ is a derivative (first as anime, later also as videogame). At my glance, however the editors don't try to distinguish original quote and anime quote (though the anime follows the original loyally in most parts).
 * As anime series, DBZ is relatively long one. It was originally aired in Japan from 1989 till 1996. Very long, and it contains 291 + 2 additional episodes. If the editors would like to have one quote from every episode, it means there should be close to 300 quotes. Honestly I don't think it is a good strategy, but it is enough to explain the tendency of growth.
 * Also, as JeffQ said, there is movies under this title, I heard.
 * Last and not least, if Shueisha/Mr. Toriyama/Toei or any other copyright holders ask for deletion, as a member of OTRS mail contact team, I am ready to respond them with a prompt deletion of whole version. --Aphaia 05:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I note the keep arguments, but given the quality of the quotes, is this worth having?--Cato 21:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - needs abit of work but there is a great deal of effort put into this P.S KEEP--McNoddy 13:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Do we need so many quotes?--Jusjih 14:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No, we could do something to severely cut down the number of quotes. I'm trying to split the article up making movie and special pages, and we could probably split it further by separating it by saga and cut the number of quotes in half afterwords, keeping the Dragon Ball Z page itself as a disambiguation page for all its related pages (akin to the Star Wars articles). // Decaimiento  Poético  18:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep, but this page definitely requires some trimming to get it in reasonable shape, copyright-wise. ~ UDScott 00:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)