Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Every Nation


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: delete. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 23:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Every Nation
At first glance, this seems similar to Votes for deletion archive/Elias Aslaksen, concerning a leader of Smith's Friends, which failed to achieve a consensus. However, the current content of the article may make this one simpler — not a single quote comes from a standard reliable source. We have 2 from Multiply, a social networking service; 3 from TypePad, a blogging service; 1 from an in-church publishing system (the kind I compare to corporate publications in the Aslaksen discussion), 2 from an apparent personal website, and 1 from a YouTube video. None of these are guaranteed to be who they claim to be, unless we can establish some kind of editorial responsibility from an independent source. There may be some chance of that from links in Every Nation, but so far this sounds like nothing more than well-organized promotion of web-savvy members of a very small movement. Add that to the question of the WP article's problems with w:WP:BLP, w:WP:V, and possibly w:WP:NPOV, and it seems unlikely we'll get useful quotes from proven notables on this subject. Delete unless independent, reliable notability evidence provided and quotes sourced by confirmed valid sources (not just testimonials from WP users). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 09:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote closed: Result: Delete. I decided to hold off on closing this at the deadline to give Blueboy96 and others extra opportunity to find sources but none were added. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 23:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom, unless independent, reliably notable sources are provided. ~ UDScott 17:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Seems to violate every rule in the book.--Poetlister 21:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Can you guys hold your horses? I'm kinda new to Wikiquote, and I know a lot of these start out in bad shape.  I can find quotes from more reliable sources--just give me time, OK?  Blueboy96 01:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you are also w:User:Blueboy96, then judging by some of the mediation discussion I skimmed through at w:Talk:Every Nation, I imagine you know what Wikimedia means by independent, reliable sources. I see two issues here: determining if (A) this subject and the quoted people are notable enough for quoting; and (B) the quotes are reliably attributable. Wikiquotians reviewing this article can probably derive some information on (A) by examining the state and discussion about the WP article, so improving its sources would help. (Currently these look to me, with very few exceptions, to be all church- and churchmember-sponsored works, which aren't independent, and government filings, which say almost nothing about notability in the Wikimedia sense.) But the more information you provide here (that is, in the article, as opposed to on WP), the more likely you will to get well-informed and possibly favorable responses. Quotes from independent sources not only aid (B) but also provide some indication of notability, as established publishers demonstrate that they find the organization worth reporting on. The rest of the quote issue is trying to confirm the editorial control of and identities behind the social-network pages, blogs, and personal websites. This is a challenging business and is a major reason why we typically just disregard these as sources. Relying on such sources is likely not to move Wikiquotians toward a "keep" position, as it's hard to distinguish from promotional attempts. I hope this gives you a feel for the scope of the work to be done here. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, pure self-promotion I think, and thanks to Jeff Q for the detective work on sourcing. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 22:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Since I am new to Wikiquote, I am choosing not to vote. I added several quotes on the Every Nation page based on the quotes I saw that were already on there, but I leave the decision to the Wikiquote experts on this . . . Thanks! Varsha Daswani 07:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.