Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Family Guy season subpages

, but trim the individual pages substantially (to the range of five quotes per episode). BD2412 T 16:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Family Guy season subpages

 * Family Guy/Season 1
 * Family Guy/Season 2
 * Family Guy/Season 3
 * Family Guy/Season 4
 * Family Guy/Season 5
 * Family Guy/Season 6

These articles present us with a complex copyright problem. Estimating the sum of all six of these pages at 700kb, it's 300 bytes per minute, (around 45-60 words per minute) which is way above fair use guidelines. Will {{sup|{talk)}} 00:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 01:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I created these in the first place, breaking them out from a single gargantuan Family Guy article. In retrospect, that was a mistake, as it seems to have opened the door to each of these sub-articles being further expanded. I would support either deleting them, or imposing a strict 30kb cap for each, so that the total collective of reproduced material is cut to about a third of what it is now. I would, however, like to put on my IP lawyer hat for a moment and note that Wikiquote is the type of website that falls under the fair harbor provisions of the DMCA, meaning that a copyright owner must inform us of an infringement and give us the opportunity to correct it before taking any actual legal action. I'll check with Mike Godwin to see if we have met the formal filing requirements of that statute. Cheers! BD2412  T 00:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: I strongly urge the community not to consider attempting to use any fair-harbor provisions like those being used by the likes YouTube, Google Video, etc., for at least four reasons:
 * It's morally bankrupt. Since websites have some protection against suits for content that others contribute, many websites try to escape nearly all responsibility by posting a copyvio policy that any idiot knows will be ignored by a substantial portion of their contributors, and forces copyright holders to accomplish the impossible task of policing millions of websites that spring up faster than anyone could hope to shutdown.
 * It's not in keeping with the Wikimedia Foundation's increasing attention to copyright violation avoidance. Many people, including some current and potential Board members, have discussed the possibility of either spinning off or shutting down Wikiquote because, unlike any other Wikimedia project, our content is nearly all copyrighted and must be quoted exactly. Yet we haven't even responded to the call for an (copyright) Exemption Policy Doctrine. Trying to punt the responsibility for copyvio avoidance would not only further antagonize copyright holders, it would give more ammunition to those who want Wikiquote gone.
 * Wikiquote is not a fan website. Many of our editors (most of our TV-show editors, I sometimes believe) want us to be the place where show fans can go to read every single utterance made on their favorite shows. Preventing them from turning Wikiquote into a satellite fansite is a monumental task we are failing miserably already. Encouraging this by pushing the responsibility of policing our own site on to copyright holders will only encourage this.
 * Even if copyright weren't an issue, Wikiquote's goal is not to be the repository of huge tracts of anything. It is a compendium of a select set of the most memorable quotes from people and works, not an archive of all significant material. The more we cram into our pages, the less focused and special the quotes are. People who want massed archives should go to Wikisource.
 * There are other reasons, but these four alone, I believe, provide ample reason to keep the responsibility for avoiding copyvios squarely in our hands. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * A stronger reason perhaps is that the fair harbor provision only protects the website itself, not the editors who post (see my comment below). As to your second point, however, there are worlds of quotes that are in the public domain, or are uncopyrightable at any rate. BD2412 T 04:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: I agree that splitting them out, while seeming like a good idea at the time, has become a bit of a mess. I think we should probably do the following (although this represents a lot of work): first trim the number of quotes per episode to 5. Then either keep the pages separate or bring them all back into one page (whichever makes sense based on the size once the trimming is complete). I certainly do not think we should just outright delete them. I would rather stick to the 5 quotes per episode standard than to a page size standard. ~ UDScott 14:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * KEEP!!!: Listen, these pages are a fans drean quote page; they're easy to read, acurate, and if there's somthing wrong, you can fix it. And without a fan's point of view, it just doesn't make sence to me that we have to boil them down to 1 artical, and, in my opinion, make it more clutered, just because it doesn't meet thoes damn guidelines. There comes a point in a series life when the seasons have to have there own articles. I mean, in the guideline's train of thought, we would have to deleate the Simpsons art... Oh damn it! Listen, the article would be to long if we deleat them. --BrianGriffin-FG 19:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem is that these pages contain too much content to qualify as fair use, and could very easily constitute a copyright violation. Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the Fox Broadcasting Company, which owns those copyrights could force the Wikimedia Foundation to divulge the identities of the specific editors who added the material to those pages (this is easily done - the Wikimedia Foundation would have to turn over the IP addresses behind the usernames, and the editor's internet service provider would then identify whose house the IP address was assigned to at the time the edits were made); those editors could then be sued for copyright infringement, and face statutory damages ranging from $750 to $30,000 per work (each episode constituting a "work" under the law). In short, we're trying to save editors such as yourselves from being sued up the creek. BD2412 T 00:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Remerge. This is the problem we have with Smallville, where we must be ruthless to avoid copyvios.  Splitting the article makes things harder to control.--Cato 12:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as notable, but trim heavily.--Yehudi 12:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Trim to within fair use guidelines. I do not believe it is Wikiquote's mission or desire to provide dream quote pages for fans. --Ubiquity 23:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per UDScott's proposed suggestions. - InvisibleSun 18:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep! - here's the kind of stuff that should NOT be deleted. And this goes for all other shows of this category. Actually, I think the seasonal breakdown for the pages isn't a bad idea at all. Also, I prefer it to merging it all on one page, limiting the actual amount of quotes altogether. Hence, this is a rather good compilation in its entirety and the manner in which it is represented currently is to my liking. However, if it has to be re-merged to be kept, then so be it. Regardless, definite keep. All quotes of this caliber are charming to the last. - Zarbon 05:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)