Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Geoffrey Palmer


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The result was: Delete.  Cbrown1023  talk  22:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Geoffrey Palmer
Quotations from an actor of faultless notability. However…Firstly, all eight quotations are of lines which Palmer has delivered in the course of his professional work: six from As Time Goes By, and one each from The Madness of King George and Whoops Apocalypse. I’m very doubtful whether such things should be credited to the actor rather than the writer, though there may be an official policy or unofficial convention on this which I’ve never come across. Secondly, none of the quotations make much sense when taken out of context, and could only really be put into the context of their original dialogue in three new articles for those films and TV series. Thirdly, a clean-up tag has stood there for four months without effect. Antiquary 22:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 23:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unless quotes from Geoffrey Palmer as Geoffrey Palmer, not a character he is playing, are added. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 12:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, concur with both Antiquary and Fys. ~ UDScott 15:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete.  Cbrown1023  talk  21:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I don't think we have an official policy on attributions of quotes from fictional characters, but for the video arts at least, we have a practice of attributing quotes specifically to characters in their works (e.g., TV shows or films). The real people behind these quotes, which frankly cannot be determined without reliable sources, are provided by writing credits in the intro and a cast list in the bottom of the articles. (FYI, one cannot assume the writer(s) of a video work are the originators of any particular lines. There is a long history, in Hollywood at least, of having cycles of rewrites by semi-credited and uncredited "punch-up" artists and "additional dialog" writers, not to mention the variable amounts of ad-libbing that can occur on the set. Any specific claims other than that the character said something are pure speculation without sources.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 06:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't think that there's any value in attributing quotes uttered while playing a part to the person playing the part. As Jeff mentioned, the actual quotes are developed behind the scenes by writers; the actors just read their lines and have little, if any, say in what those lines are. —LrdChaos (talk) 14:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete There may be merit in attributing catch phrases to actors, but otherwise they belong with the real writers.--Poetlister 12:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, unless sourced quotes from the actor added, in which case the unsourced character quotes should still be removed. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I can't find any worthwhile quotes that can genuinely be attributed to Mr Palmer.--Cato 22:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
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