Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Hiromu Arakawa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: Keep. BD2412 T 16:34, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Hiromu Arakawa
This article had been given a Prod because it has no sourced quotes. The Prod was removed, which brings it here. The quotes remain unsourced. - InvisibleSun 04:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 05:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 04:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete This page is to spammy, it violates blocking policy, violates Limit of Quotes, fails Manuel of Style, does not have anything notable of Memorial, pointless page, the page is a mess, the page is poorly written and finally it has insults.(StarWarsFanBoy 04:57, 4 January 2010 (UTC))
 * Violation of blocking policy is a serious accusation. What evidence do you have that the creator and major contributor for this page, User:Kasaalan, is violating a block? BD2412 T 02:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Cancel votes, and recheck page issues solved
 * The reference issue solved, unsourced quotes hidden. Kasaalan 12:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - the quotes are sourced now, but (even giving major consideraton to the risk of systemic bias toward Western and mainstream cultural quotes) I've serious doubts about the notability of what a minor manga artist has to say. (IMO much of the anime/manga content on Wikiquote is fanwank that needs a major purge via VFD). Gordonofcartoon 13:27, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not familiar with Wikiquote's notability guidelines (if it gets deleted, we'll just restore the content on en, I suppose), but I wouldn't call her 'minor' unless to be 'major' one has to be Hayao Miyazaki (most famous anime director ever) or Rumiko Takahashi (one of the richest woman in Japan) or something.
 * The FMA manga has sold a healthy 30 million volumes, and even the English releases hit the top of the charts, so her direct work is, shall we say, reasonably popular; and the (original) anime of course was tremendously popular, possibly the most popular of the 2003-2004 season. --Gwern 14:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I just doubt the notability for inclusion of page after page of quotes at the level of:
 * General Watanabe: Bwahahahahaha!
 * Edward: I guess that's why ...
 * Kinkaju: (lasering through wire) I told you so.
 * Is this stuff of the remotest general notability? No. And if not, what point is including its originators? Gordonofcartoon 15:00, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Winry Rockbell: ...You didn't drink your milk.
 * Edward Elric: ...I hate milk.
 * Winry Rockbell: That's why you're always gonna be the size of a pea!
 * Edward Elric: Shut up! I'm not gonna drink some opaque white liquid that was secreted by a cow!!
 * Alex Louis Armstrong: You're just being stubborn, Edward Elric!!
 * Fun. Kasaalan 21:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep I am satisfied that the subject is notable. I do not follow Gordonofcartoon's point; the quotes he gives are not visible on the page.  The quotes that are visible, while scarcely brilliant, are not trite either.--Ole.Holm 20:04, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I was talking about manga/anime quotes in general. They really are at that level. Gordonofcartoon 20:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, Fullmetal Alchemist is a highly notable series, and its author should be considered no less so (especially considering the rarity of women manga authors in Japan). Please put the quote citations inline, though. BD2412 T 02:10, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep : The page could use more work, but the quotes used are now sourced, and there is no need to delete the page. ~ Kalki (talk &middot; contributions) 02:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - although cleanup is needed, now that the quotes are sourced, I don't see a need to delete the page. ~ UDScott 16:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak. These are very weak quotes, sourced to a fan site that appears to have reproduced entire articles or substantial extracts from other sources without indicating license to do so. If the article is kept, the quotes should be re-sourced to the original publications and links to an apparently unauthorized distributor should be expunged. ~ Ningauble 18:41, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That best sums up my gut feeling about them. They'd be perfectly fine in a biographical article. But they have very little quotability: "witty, pithy, wise, eloquent, or poignant" as WQ:Q puts it. Gordonofcartoon 02:50, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Interviewer: (referring to Arakawa's proclivity for drawing herseld as a bespectacled cow) So, of course you must love cows? Arakawa: Of course. I love to take care of them and also eat them. I find this to be very witty. BD2412 T 03:19, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments Manga artist is not only notable, but also one of the leading manga artists in history. Her series are also notable and a leading one. About distribution, her manga is a source, but they are hidden now. The manga fan-questions page are mainly based on humour for all manga series. Other sources are her interviews, which should be considered as public information. Especially 1 is yahoo.co.jp interview, and translated by fans. Of course we may use better quotes, you all may contribute. I am not so familiar with wikiquote, so I may also use some help with layout. Kasaalan 21:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you provide the original Japanese and links or references to those pages, with the translations below? BD2412 T 01:23, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The yahoo.co.jp interview dated back to 2004, however removed after 2007 at least the original links.  I have full text for interview along with fans' English translation. Yet I am not sure it is good for copyright to put full text here. If anyone knows japanese and can find the interview by search at http://books.yahoo.co.jp/ it might be better. Kasaalan 14:49, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That would be helpful - I believe that is normally the way we present quotes originating in and translated from foreign languages. BD2412 T 15:27, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Hiromu_Arakawa Layout is not good, however I put original japanese text in blockquotes. Kasaalan 16:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a lot more than what is on the page - can you bold the quoted portion, or something like that? BD2412 T 23:25, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * With some effort, this can be improved. Keep Pmlineditor    ∞    16:20, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Final Comment: Hey its past January 11. Shouldn't this bad page disappear already and the VFD for the bad page be closed?(StarWarsFanBoy 00:15, 13 January 2010 (UTC))
 * Should be. It's a clear keep, so why don't you close it? It will be good practice for when you get to be an admin. BD2412 T 01:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

True final Comment: First off I am not an admin, second only admins can close the VFDs and finally I only vote to get rid of the bad pages not the good pages. Also please get the admins to create even more VFDs so I can pick delete on the bad articles.(StarWarsFanBoy 19:44, 15 January 2010 (UTC))
 * I'm not sure that only admins can close VfD's (non-admins can close clear keep votes on Wikipedia), but I'll go ahead and do it. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.