Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Joseph L. Mankiewicz

--Jusjih 11:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Joseph L. Mankiewicz
Subject definitely notable, but only one quote, which is also included in the page for subject's best known work, All About Eve. — Ubiquity 14:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 15:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete . To clarify, the person here is a screenwriter, and the quote is one that was said in the film by one of the characters. I support deletion (unless other quotes, not from films he wrote, are added) because I feel it's typically a bad idea to attribute quotes from fictional works to their authors. (I know that we do this, to some extent, with books, where quotes from the books are added to sections on the authors' pages, but this is typically to avoid the books' section from growing too large.) This also differs from books in that the screenwriters are much more of a "behind-the-scenes" sort of people than book authors, probably because the actors are what everyone sees when they watch. Since we already have a page for the film, and the quote is already on it, we wouldn't be losing anything. —LrdChaos (talk) 16:52, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep now that other quotes have been added. —LrdChaos (talk) 19:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep A highly notable person, and I see nothing wrong with giving him his own article. "we do this, to some extent, with books"?  We usually do it with books; when I was first here, I was told off for starting an article on The Hunting of the Snark.--Poetlister 17:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete . Although the subject is definitely notable, I doubt there would be any quotes outside of the films he wrote - and I would rather see such quotes captured on the films' pages (since this is most likely the place anyone would look if they were trying to find them). If I were trying to find the famous "Frankly my dear I don't give a damn" quote from Gone With the Wind, I would look on the film's page and wouldn't expect to find it on a page for the screenwriter, Sydney Howard. For books, I don't think the same holds true - people more closely associate a book with its author than they do a film with its screenwriter. In most cases (unless there are a sufficient number of quotes that make a separate page necessary for an individual book), book quotes should remain on the author's page while a film's quotes should remain on the film's page. If there can be found some sourced, pithy quotes from this person (outside of the films he wrote), I would certainly change my vote. ~ UDScott 17:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course you wouldn't want "Frankly my dear I don't give a damn" on Sydney Howard's page - he didn't write it. It's from the book.--Poetlister 17:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine, fine. I was just trying to make a point. But even if he had written it, I wouldn't look on a page for him for it, but rather on the film's page. Substitute any other famous film line in my argument (e.g. Go ahead, make my day.) and I think it still stands. ~ UDScott 17:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, now that other quotes have been added. I would however still be inclined to remove the All About Eve quote, since it is already shown on the film's page. ~ UDScott 18:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per additional quotations (not from his screenplays). - InvisibleSun 18:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination. Oh, sure, not a single change to this page in two years, but now there are quotes there. ;-) By the way, I notice there is no page for Margaret Mitchell. Perhaps all her good quotes went to Gone With the Wind?? --Ubiquity 19:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * We have no novel article, only film ... and a book and a film are different works.   --Aphaia 19:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That leads to a good question. If a film script just takes lines from a book, should the quote be in the article about the film or the book?  To my recollection (and it is years since I read the book) many of the lines are from the book.--Cato 20:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Other than their use in captions, and the inclusion of variant translations and common paraphrases, the duplication of quotes on a page should generally be avoided, but having them on different and relevant pages need not be. There are many quotes that can be on an author's page, a few sometimes remaining there even if a full page for a separate work is created, and some of the more notable of these could also be used on several different theme pages as well. I believe that we should often aim to provide "multiple points of access" to many of the more famous and notable quotes from books and movies, as well as such definite sourcing as we can. ~ Kalki 22:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep since remarkable quotes were added from verifiable reliable sources. FloNight 01:22, 26 August 2007 (UTC)