Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Kannada proverbs

Kannada proverbs
This previously deleted article was prod when it was re-created this March because "No sourced quotes". The template was removed with the explanation "Quotes from believable sources of Karanataka, India"[//en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Kannada_proverbs&diff=1694684], but in the ensuing eight months no actual citations have been provided. Rather, more content has been added that is expressly unsourced, with source tags included. — Ningauble (talk) 18:21, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 19:00, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete as nom. . ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:21, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, needs citations to proper sources. -- Cirt (talk) 23:12, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. ~ UDScott (talk) 02:52, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, now that Kalki has made improvements. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I would prefer to see the page fixed and kept. At least one source linked on the page is a book in print containing thousands of entries, although it does not seem to include any currently on the page. BD2412 T 03:48, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, thanks Kalki. BD2412 T 20:30, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * If someone can use BD2412's source to make a sensible article, good. The present article cannot be kept.--Abramsky (talk) 22:19, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep — I have taken the time to actually add quotes from the sources mentioned rather than bemoaning the fact that there weren't as yet any sourced proverbs. It seems that adding marks no more welcomed or needed than gnat turds to pages, in a manner that has been repeatedly rejected as undesired and undesirable by most, sometimes for hours at a time, has higher priority than saving a page of proverbs from deletion. I initially considered only adding ONE proverb: Good deeds remain, all things else perish, to simply and adequately disqualify the arguments presented on this page for why it should be deleted, and providing an exhibition of PROPER contempt for the general mental and moral laziness of those MOST prone to MAKE rules and ENFORCE rules to constrain, control, destroy and diminish the opportunities and proper rights of others by people who were NEVER chosen to be RULERS over others but seem to enjoy such roles and support each others appetites for them. I took the time to add more, but I have other priorities to attend to of far greater urgency and importance than to waste much more of my own time arguing about what I consider to be clearly ignorant and confused priorities of others, but I will state that as of NOW the page clearly no longer is properly a candidate for deletion. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 11:30, 20 November 2014 (UTC) + tweaks
 * I appreciate the effort to provide genuine citations, but I am a little unsure about how these sources are being used here. Examining the first source, A Handbook of Kannada Proverbs, with English Equivalents: in some instances the "English equivalents" appear to be close translations (or even common proverbs that have migrated between languages), but in others they appear to be analogues with similar purport but little relation to the literal or figurative meaning of the Kannada phrases themselves. I am not in a position to sort out which are which are faithful representations of Kannada proverbs and which are only analogous. The second source, English Proverbs and Equivalent Kannada Proverbs, is evidently a collection of English proverbs explained in Kannada, not a collection of Kannada Proverbs. I do not doubt the value of these works for helping speakers of the two languages to understand each other's idioms, but accurate treatment of foreign language proverbs can be a real challenge. I am not sure what the best practice for Wikiquote should be, but I think we err in saying these sentences are Kannada proverbs. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:51, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I am very aware of many of the problems with proverbs pages generally and this one in particular, which is one reason I generally pay little attention to them, personally, nor to many others where I have little or no direct familiarity with their particular subject, such as MANY of the televisions shows, and I simply monitor them against OBVIOUS vandalism. I altered the intro to read "Proverbs used by speakers of the Kannada language…" and the subheading of one of the sections which clearly and expressly used "equivalents" of English proverbs to state that that section contained "Proverbial remarks as reported in…". The ultimate origins of many proverbs are usually far from clear, especially the bulk of them which clearly originated with anonymous figures long before ever being written down, but I simply qualified the intros to reflect slightly on that fact, rather than retaining intros which could more strongly imply to many that they necessarily originated in the Kannada language. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 17:42, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep thanks to Kalki. (But even this edit alone should be enough to save the page from deletion.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:10, 20 November 2014 (UTC)