Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Last words in The Sopranos media


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: '''no consensus. --Saroj (talk) 06:55, 31 August 2023 (UTC)'''.

Last words in The Sopranos media
My reading of the intent of policies and guidelines is content is not censored care needs to be taken to avoid harm and going into that which would generally be regarded as unacceptable. I suggest articles such as these, which are concentrated on descriptions of violent killings, may be potentially harmful. There's no directly associated English Wikipedia article. Beyond that generic issue the references here are primary. Citations are to episode level only and not to point in time - watching a whole episode (sometimes of profanity) to verify a source is not really practicable. While there are claims "Wikiquote is uncensored" that is not totally true as the line is drawn at some content. Descriptions are the editors own and Wikiquote may simply be being used as a platform for editors to push profanity and their descriptions of death. It is also a reason why younger persons may be put off from the sight, children should not be directed to Wikiquote, and why the UK Government may correctly or otherwise implement the Online Safety Bill and restrict access to Wikiquote. See also this VfD — DeirgeDeltac 09:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Vote closes: 10:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: (nominator). -- DeirgeDeltac 09:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. As I wrote in this VfD, I do not support the removal of quotes or pages simply because they may be deemed harmful by users. This definitely has the appearance of selective censorship. I also do not believe that the proposed level of citation is required - we have never required an actual timestamp within a TV show's episode to which to cite a quote. In the end, I still harbor some doubts about these Last words pages, but not for these reasons, but rather that the pages tend to become full of one word quotes or other less than memorable lines. There are some truly memorable last lines from films and TV shows and books, but too often, these pages go way beyond those. In this case, I cannot agree with the cited reason for deletion, but will consider my own reasons before voting. ~ UDScott (talk) 11:54, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: By this logic, the Breaking Bad last words page or the X-Files last words page or the Walking Dead last words page should be taken down too. If you apply one rule to one page because you happen to be uncomfortable with the subject matter, you must apply the same rule to all the other pages. SebastianJFromTheBurg (talk) 13:52, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I am aware of about ten to 20 pages like this page, which is not the worst example of its genre by a long way. There is an argument the concentration of death quotes is harmful.  It will not affect most people.  But it has a possibility of fueling it with a small minority.  I notice a stream of mass shootings at the moment. Although the article is not within the scope of QLP I note from WQ:QLP "The possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment." It is not as if the quotes haven't already got an article where they can be placed, if they are quotable enough.  -- DeirgeDeltac 20:59, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, this has the appearance of censorship just because someone deems the quotes themselves harmful. IMHO, our mission here is not to only present quotes that do not bother people - we do not censor quotes. If the discussion is regarding the quoteworthiness of the quotes, then an argument could be made against some of the quotes on the page - but I fear that if this or similar pages were deleted simply for the reason that the quotes are deemed harmful by a handful of users, then we would be setting a dangerous precedent, where quotes could be removed for other similar "harms" that users feel. I believe this would cause irreparable harm to this project. ~ UDScott (talk) 23:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It is the concentration that is a problem and the lack of verification that is a problem. There is a considerable hijacking of project in this area by people using it as an excuse to present this.  And you I recommend Wikiquote to an under-13, under-15 under-18 because of it.  Its not as if these are supported by third party references. This (poor referenced) genre is fit for a fan-site.  And these is nothing here which stops the quotes being added to other pages. -- DeirgeDeltac 01:32, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete -- 2601:5c7:4100:3600:cfd:9886:ceda:ebb9 (talk • contribs) 21:39, 7 May 2023‎ . —This unsigned comment is by 2601:5C7:4100:3600:4DCC:7D12:2A55:C0C3 (talk • contribs).
 * Move or merge into The Sopranos. --ᘙ (talk) 17:38, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, or at the very least, merge. Markjoseph125 (talk) 19:13, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge only the quoteworthy ones into the relevant episode on the correct season page for The Sopranos. Notwithstanding my comments above on what I believe is an incorrect rationale for deletion, I still feel these quotes are mostly not worth keeping. Any that are can be placed in the correct episode from which they come. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:45, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Leaning keep. The question is, does this serve the reader? For a reader who specifically looks up a page of Sopranos media last words, it does so exactly, providing context for this information. Last words of fictional characters are a cultural touchstone, and are better presented in Wikiquote than anywhere else, so if there is a need for a test case on whether these should exist, it should start with the strongest example, Last words in Shakespeare. The fact that this particular set of last words is particularly violent is of no weight as an argument. The Sopranos as a show is violence, and plenty of that violence is reflected in our page on the show without even getting to last words. In this case, there is no contention about the accuracy of the contents, and it is likely that the coverage of the show would yield sources if those were requested. BD2412 T 05:58, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.