Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/List of Presidents of the United States

There is no consensus after well over a year. BD2412 T 05:07, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

List of Presidents of the United States
Contested PROD. I do not see the purpose or value of this page, when we have a perfectly good category that handles the same function - and which can also be referred to on each individual page for the Presidents. — UDScott (talk) 19:08, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 20:00, 29 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. ~ UDScott (talk) 19:08, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as creator. First off, this is a list that exists on 120 projects. It's objective in its inclusion criteria, limited in scope, all of its members are independently notable, and all have a stand-alone English Wikiquote articles. In other words, it meets the notability criteria established for lists by the English Wikipedia, and it's members are all quotable, as evidenced by the fact that they all have Wikiquote articles. That a list shares a scope with a category should be the case with all lists, and currently is true of all lists in Category:Lists as far as I can tell. If a list did not share a scope with a category, that would likely indicate that the list is not objective and meaningful in its scope, and should be looked at for deletion precisely because it doesn't fit into either any individual category, or the cross-section of any combination of categories (though the opposite is not true, and the existence of a category does necessitate that a list should be created).  G M G  talk  20:08, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Just one comment: the comparison to other list pages is not truly a fair comparison. The other list pages have pages spread across many other categories, while this particular list exactly mirrors the mentioned category (Category:Presidents of the United States) - this particular list is so narrow in scope and has such a low amount of people in it that having it seems to be redundant to the category. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:15, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, WQ doesn't seem to actually have any local notability criteria for lists, and in as much as WQ relies on WP for guidance for major gaps in local policies and guidelines, the WP standards explicitly forbid duplication of categories, lists, and navigation templates as a rationale for deletion.  G M G  talk  20:27, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Just a thought, but what if, as a compromise, we merge and redirect this list into split columns under the "See also" section of the President of the United States page. BD2412 T 20:48, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That forces a choice between an incomplete list, or violating guidance at WQ:SEEALSO not to duplicate internal links that already appear in the body (besides the issue of being an exceptionally long section).  G M G  talk  21:01, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I think we can bend WQ:SEEALSO to cover this. I would prefer that over deleting the list, and I'm not sure I can see a rationale for including such a list as a separate page in mainspace. BD2412 T 01:53, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Umm...I'm inclined to think we should be consistent one way or the other really. If we're expecting that the average reader is savvy enough with the software that they will easily see the category, know what it is, and click on it, then an extended see also is as useful as a stand alone list. I don't know that is likely to be true, as evidenced by the fact that the list on Wikipedia gets 22k average daily views, while the category gets 30 average daily views. Here, the list got 55 views on its first day, while the category gets an average of three. Although those numbers will become more meaningful over the coming days.
 * To my mind, having a companion page to a Wikipedia page with 22k average daily views is a fairly good rationale that this is useful for helping readers find and navigate Wikiquote. But if "no 1 to 1 overlap" is the principle we want to apply, I'd rather we just establish that so we can apply it consistently, and get more lasting benefit out of this discussion than whether a single page is deleted or kept, which is comparatively inconsequential.  G M G  talk  11:39, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't you just add a single link under a See also section for the category itself (e.g. like we did on the Akira Kurosawa or Alfred Hitchcock pages)? ~ UDScott (talk) 12:42, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is an option. And if we are to make it a standard to disallow lists with a 1-to-1 scope with a category, it would be a natural next step to add that to guidance for see also sections with eponymous categories. I'm of the opinion we should do all the things to interconnect the project with itself: more cats, more lists, more navigation templates, more see also sections. But that's just my personal opinion.  G M G  talk  01:52, 24 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per . I can see and understand the argument for keeping it. I recommend a policy or guideline to be created if this type of page is not appropriate. ~ riley  ( talk  ) 00:55, 8 April 2020 (UTC)