Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Mike Lange


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: keep. BD2412 T 23:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Mike Lange
The quotes are unsourced; potential copyvio. Many of the quotes are unremarkable and unoriginal. - InvisibleSun 01:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 02:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 01:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep thanks to FloNight's work on this page. - InvisibleSun 20:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. ~ UDScott 01:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, nothing quotable here. BD2412 T 02:18, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: The revision is appreciated, but the sourced quotes still seem to me unmeritable. BD2412 T 03:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I would agree that he is no Yogi Berra, but media mentions of his style per se count for a kind of notability, even if it is of the media house-of-mirrors sort that will likely be forgotten within a generation. (As such things go, I kind of like "He beat him like a rented mule.") ~ Ningauble 13:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * When I found the media coverage about his colorful catch phrases, I decided it was worth my time to research each quote to find a reference for it. Sports Centre did a segment of the Top 10 Lange signature phrases, so we can say that they are remarkable to a significant number of people or they would not have done the story. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 14:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. All quotes are unsourced. Many of the quotes are not remarkable. The person is possibly notable for a signature catch phrase that is associated with him or a sport term that became commonly used, but this entry does not show it. Unless the topic is researched and notable sourced quotes are added before the Afd closes, delete. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 10:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Too many keep votes for me to vote delete without doing the research myself and attempting a re-write. I'm going to remove the common pithy remarks, first. And use the article talk page to select discuss which quotes are his own catch phrases. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 13:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep- It is what it is and these are things he says. Deleting gains nothing -
 * Delete per nom and BD2412. ~ Ningauble 16:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as reworked most excellently by FloNight. ~ Ningauble 18:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - It was notable enough to get a top 10 segment on SportsCenter, as evidenced by the external link. Mike Lange is not well known outside of Pittsburgh, but he is considered a legendary broadcaster here, as is Myron Cope.  I'm not sure how they could be sourced as all of them are said live on the radio during Penguins game broadcasts.  Almost all of these quotes are catchphrases; he says them all the time.  I've never heard anyone else been sourced as saying most of these quotes except when quoting him, so I don't see how they are unoriginal. BocoROTH 23:46, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Notability is not the criteria. Quotability is (in addition to sourcing, of course). If the quotes are impossible to source, that's too bad, since we can't be attributing quotes to people without evidence of their actually having said them. In any event, no matter how notable the person, and how well-sourced the quote, each quote must merit inclusion on its own. BD2412 T 04:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason, BocoROTH, that I called the quotes unoriginal is that many of them allude to well-known phrases ("Great balls of fire!," "Book 'em, Dano," "Puttin' on the Ritz," "Stop the press[es]," "Like a bull in a china shop," "Go ahead, make my day," etc.) Who knows how many, or how few, of all the other phrases began with Lange. It's quite common for commentators, sports or otherwise, to get their humor from dealing in popular catchphrases; and yet it's no claim to originality, either. - InvisibleSun 18:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Point taken and valid, "Great Balls of fire" is a prime example, but other quotes such as "Call Arnold Slick from Turtle Creek!" or "Oh, slap me silly, Sidney!" are attributed to Lange. Before this page is deleted in it's entirety it deserves some measure of further review.  The source for these quotes has been sited, it's the Penguins Radio broadcast during Lange's tenor as the their broadcast announcer.  It's the same as a quote from a movie, or news broadcast.  The idea of removing common phrases such as "He's smiling like a butchers dog" is fine. Don't delete the whole post.  Would it not be possible to list quotes by Lange and also list under a heading of "phrases used by Lange, but source is unkown"  This would still preserve the notoriety that is associated with him and these quotes without directly attributing them to Lange?  If it's not a common quote it should stand unless your able to source another person to attribute it to other than Lange.  Mpusater 21:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 *  Keep  I loved "Ill buy Sam a drink..."
 *  Keep  If you want to edit quotes like "Great Balls of Fire", and say he's not the source that's fine as it is a common phrase, but anyone who has listened to Mike Lang's career knows a large portion are indeed attributable to him as the source. Obviously it's very hard to site when it was first said in a Radio broadcast, it's not like a printed quote.  But the entire page should not be deleted.  Those wanting this deleted probably know very little about the subject.
 * Note: User:199.72.20.100 has voted twice. - InvisibleSun 20:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 *  Keep. 170.20.11.116 19:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * KEEP THIS
 *  KEEP  THE GREATEST GUY IN PIITSBURGH!!!
 *  Keep  this page.
 * KEEP...Mike Lange is a Broadcast institution as well as a member of the Hockey Hall of Fame
 * Keep Mike is a legend here in western PA. Please do not remove.
 *  Keep  I grew up listening to Vin Scully do baseball in LA, probably the best ever baseball announcer. Mike Lange is the Vin Scully of Hockey due to his outrageously creative goal calls. To cite his original radio calls, one needs to contact the Penguins organization and get the tape number of the game etc. This is not something easily done via internet search. Deleting the page is ridiculous. Just keep the uncited phrases marked as such.
 * CommentI did a re-write and found good sources for seven of his catch phrases. I kept those and removed the rest. I'm sure that over time more of the quotes can be added back. It will take time to locate a reliable source for them. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 17:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: FloNight deserves the credit for saving this page. At this point I can't help asking something to all the anonymous IP posters here, whose sole contribution to Wikiquote has been to storm this page with votes: Where was your work on the Mike Lange page?  All but one of you couldn't even bother to add signatures to your votes; even that had to be done for you.  Wikiquote, like all wikis, is a community effort.  We very much respect all useful contributors; we have far less respect for those who only complain. Wikiquote now has a policy of accepting only sourced quotes. We will go through our articles and remove whatever is unsourced. There won't be any exceptions, including the Mike Lange page. Saying that some quotes can't be sourced will only mean that such quotes will no longer remain. - InvisibleSun 20:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and I agree with InvisibleSun for the most part. Although I feel that all quotes that are unsourced should not be deleted but sourced. Most quotes have a source of origin, it is in our best interest to locate their source and better wikiquote in this manner. If all else fails, then delete. Zarbon 22:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Question I don't understand your comment. I completely re-wrote the entry and now all the quotes on the page are now sourced, what else needs to be done? FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 23:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Response: If the quotes have been sourced, then I do not maintain that the page should be deleted. I just meant that no quotes should be deleted just for being unsourced. We should try to locate all sources prior to even considering deletion. Zarbon 22:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * KEEP! -- He uses all the phrases that used to be listed here to this day -- you can download his goal calls after every game from iTunes. He's an iconic play-by-play man -- quite possibly one of the last truly unique personalities in an era of ESPN clones.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.