Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Minerva Solla


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: delete, without prejudice to recreation of notability is later demonstrated. BD2412 T 07:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Minerva Solla
Lack of notability concern with no references apart from claimed editing of a book whose title has been given butd no evidence of an English Wikipedia article on the subject existing. — User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 08:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Vote closes: 09:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep (weak): Delete : (as nom.) If problems are addressed I'm happy to consider reviewing my vote. But the problems need to be addressed. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 08:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Switching to a keep. I've sort of re-engaged and done a little to address the problem a little. Its possible/likely the book is the more notable entity (and binding an online borrowable edition has been a help) but if this is to remain a bio article the lead section really needs a background summary and some sourcing and I've done a little more on that.  Whereas on a Wikiquote article backed by a directly associated English Wikipedia article the lead section here does not not have to be sourced for verification I can't recommend strongly enough if there is no English Wikipedia article then sourcing of the lead section is important. I note I am below the safe standard I suggested in a comment below. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 20:28, 1 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete: (as nom.) Markjoseph125 (talk) 19:24, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, for lack of notability. ~ UDScott (talk) 15:30, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey, I think it'd be fair to ask a couple questions about this, especially considering the shesaid campaign. Could you list some of the Puerto Rican women from that generation that you consider notable? And some of the books which center on Puerto Rican women that you've read? I think that would be helpful information in a vote with so few people deciding whether a progressive Puerto Rican women should be considered notable or not on this website ~ A23423413 (talk) 19:06, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Anyone wanting to bring that information to the table could request a SparQL query from the experts at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Request_a_query. Given the apparent of both men and women and everything in between to achieve the simplest of HEYs or ask  to checkout some specific citations from Proquest via The Wikipedia Library there's little hope of this being retained in my view.  Incidently I've just checked for a VIAF record and I can't find one.  Does this help help? -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 19:41, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * In response to the questions posed above by A23423413, I have no idea about other Puerto Rican women that might be notable, but I would say that it actually does not matter. The question is if this particular person is notable - meaning is this person well-known or is something they said or wrote well-known? To me, I do not see such a quality being demonstrated here. It's as simple as that - see WQ:Notability for further information. ~ UDScott (talk) 20:41, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It feels weird to me to use the word simple to describe this, especially considering the shesaid campaign. Shouldn't the people involved in the decision have some amount of knowledge relevant to the page, in this case the Puerto Rican Movement, the Young Lords, feminism? Otherwise there will continue to be a strong bias towards the ideology of a very small group (with right wing white american males likely way over-represented as they are on wikipedia) ~ A23423413 (talk) 15:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A quote from Elizabeth Martinez about mexican american women that might help explain where I'm coming from better than I can in my own words, because it's true about Puerto Rican women too. "Ask almost anyone outside of academia to name famous US women of Mexican origin and you will probably hear ‘Dolores Huerta.’ If the person knows our contemporary writers, maybe ‘Sandra Cisneros’ and ‘Ana Castillo.’ If you ask for a name from earlier times, you might get ‘Sor Juana’-the rebel nun of the 1600’s. When you try to dig deeper, your companion may whimper, ‘I give up! Well…there’s the Virgin of Guadalupe, she’s on a lot of T-shirts. It was inevitable, then, that the need for a book like this would be recognized...The problem of locating photos often confirms the indifference to women’s presence in history, as reflected in the media, books, historical records, museums, university libraries." ~ A23423413 (talk) 17:28, 3 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: I think it would be good to make sure some of the people voting about whether a leading woman from the Puerto Rican movement is notable or not are Puerto Rican women. I think both Wikipedia and Wikiquote will be better when white males aren't as over-represented as they are now, both in pages created and among the people deciding who is notable or not ~User:A23423413
 * That's a rubbish argueent argument, and possible personal attack on the voters here. Basically on a bio article with no associated English Wikipedia article I'm looking for sourced presentation of notability in the lead section. I'd somewhat recommend you compare with Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/P. M. Currie. And actually when I did you you might have an argument that whereas for that argument in that nomination I made the comment The book might be notable but that is a different matter whereas I didn't make that comment here.  So my personal view you have got at least four of saving this per w:WP:HEY (vote a keep with a chip on the shoulder argument won't help): Get W:WP:THREE references for Minerva Solla, use at least one to source the article lead section and you or I can get a sitelinked Wikidata Item set up via a spreadsheet into Quickstatements of otherwise; move the article to the book title as its probably notable; Use the author as the subject, d:Q99675943 Merge to Iris Morales; or Merge to Young Lords Party. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 20:30, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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