Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Miss Foozie

Miss Foozie
Article was prod because "these quotes do not appear to be memorable in any way." This was contested on grounds of notability. Nevertheless, the selections do not come close to satisfying Quotability. — Ningauble 14:23, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 15:00, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete as nom. ~ Ningauble 14:23, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Ninguable, you state, “the selections do not come close to satisfying Wikiquote:Quotability.” Okay, let's go over them.
 * 1. Is the quote itself particularly witty, pithy, wise, eloquent, or poignant?
 * Extremely witty, as Miss Foozie usually uses these very unusual phrases as rapid quips or introductions, even to people she hardly knows.
 * 2. Is the author of the quote notable? If so, are they very notable, moderately notable, barely notable? Are they notable as a source of quotes (i.e., as a poet, pundit, or Yogi Berra)?
 * The author is very notable, as asserted by her article on Wikipedia.
 * 3. Is the quote itself independently well known (as with proverbs and certain well-reported comments)?
 * Nearly anyone the the Queer community in Chicago, and anyone in the Queer community anywhere from Gay Friendly establishments throughout Southeastern and Western Michigan, Sarnia and Windsor, Ontario, Northern Ohio, Indiana, Washington D.C. and New York immediately recognizes these quotes and knows the author.




 * 4. Is the subject of the quote a notable subject? Is it about a broad theme of the human experience such as Love, Justice, or Loneliness? Or is it about a narrow or mundane topic, like porcupines, lunch meat, or that new car smell? If the quote is about a mundane topic, does the author have particular expertise on that topic? If the quote is about another person, is that other person highly notable?
 * Yes, the human experience of love, gender, and sexuality are the theme of Foozie’s quotes. Sexual proclivity is a very difficult and often physically and emotionally painful experience for many Gay men, as is the decision to relinquish secondary-sex characteristics and dress as the opposite gender. The fact that Foozie talks about such serious topics in such a witty, comical way is notable in and of itself.
 * 5. Has the quote stood the test of time?
 * Well, she’s been around since August 6, 1997, so I would say definitely.
 * 6. Is the quote verifiably sourced?
 * Yes and sources include books, magazines, films and official websites.
 * Taric25 17:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: While the addition of additional quotes makes this a more meaningful discussion now (and may even tilt the vote in favor of keeping the page), the original two quotes (Hello pineapples and Hello hot dogs) could hardly be deemed pithy or witty. It was for this reason that the page was nominated. Adding the other quotes makes a better case, but I fail to see how those original quotes show "the human experience of love, gender, and sexuality." ~ UDScott 01:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * “Hello, Pineapples!” and “Hello, Hotdog” are Miss Foozie’s rather unusual pet-names she gives to people she hardly knows. In Gay communities such as San Fransisco, the AIDS devastation accelerated the generation gap between older and younger men, peaking in the early 1990’s, with few connections that survived between the two. Some older survivors claim that the current culture has become "shallow and catty," which is also their common criticism of mainstream gay culture. The allegation is that the younger community no longer reflects the culture's original function as a social alternative for primarily rural and blue-collar, traditionally masculine gay men. Moreover, the proliferation of pageants and their title winners runs contrary to the early community's identification with and admiration for raw, unself-conscious masculinity. In her own words:
 * I love people, it doesn’t matter their color, nationality, sexual orientation, whatever. We all live here on the same planet. I also don’t like this good looking/bad looking thing. Who cares? Just because you don’t have looks doesn’t mean you aren’t pretty inside.
 * The fact that she gives loving pet names like “Pineapple” and “Hotdog” to anyone she meets makes people feel special and is truly different than the split the Gay community has seen since the early 1990’s. Taric25 07:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact that she gives loving pet names like “Pineapple” and “Hotdog” to anyone she meets makes people feel special and is truly different than the split the Gay community has seen since the early 1990’s. Taric25 07:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep This quote is typical of Miss Foozie and she is a notable person, in addition, it meets inclusion guidelines. QwerpQwertus 18:29, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, based on the recent additions to the page. However, as I noted above, I do not feel that the first two quotes on the page should really stay - they are neither pithy nor memorable. The fact that a long argument has to be made to explain them makes the case that they are probably not worthy of remaining on the page. ~ UDScott 14:06, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your vote. If you feel that the argument is too long to explain the first two quotes, then I will simply answer that those two quotes have appeared in numerous films, books, and magazines and are widely recognized Foozieisms. Taric25 16:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Bear in mind that Wikiquote's the purpose is to collect great quotes, not to present a portrait of the person, even as an extension of a Wikipedia article. The poignancy of very brief "characteristic catchphrases" is so wholly dependent on context that they should not be considered quoteworthy unless that of which they are characteristic is so famous that they are universally recognized, or very nearly so. ~ Ningauble 18:13, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sufficiently notable. A two-word quote is cutting it pretty close, even a very short quote can become iconically associated with a speaker (compare fictional character Freddie "Boom-Boom" Washington from Welcome Back, Kotter, with his trademark smooth-voiced "Hi there", and the iconic advertising campaign, "Got milk"). BD2412 T 16:02, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Notability of this person and these quotes appears to be very slight. This really appears to be just a locally recognized clown. (No offence intended, clowning is a noble profession.) Biographical and philosophical reflections quoted in the article are cited to local periodicals, and to a book having no presence on Google other than Wikipedia, Wikiquote, and posts by its own author. I remain unconvinced that this person is suitable for a Wikiquote article at this time, though the character may become more widely recognized in the future. ~ Ningauble 18:13, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I second the motion that clowning is a notable profession. Anyone for third? Taric25 03:18, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * He said "noble", not "notable". Whether clowing is a "notable" profession is, in any case, irrelevant to the question of whether a particular clown is notable. BD2412 T 18:03, 25 June 2010 (UTC)