Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Mr. Magoo (film)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: No consensus to delete. BD2412 T 14:11, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Mr. Magoo (film)
Completely unremarkable quotes. — BD2412 T 19:22, 26 November 2013 (UTC) The argument that there is no deadline for expanding a stub makes sense at Wikipedia, as long as it contains some information about the subject; but Wikiquote is specifically for quotations, so an article here must contain some quotable quotes. Without that it is not a stub of a Wikiquote article: it is not a suitable Wikiquote article at all. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 20:00, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Neither of the two puny quotes are worth keeping. Nick1372 (talk) 23:42, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep There is no deadline. I have seen many seemingly hopeless articles becoming decent. --Spannerjam (talk) 08:11, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course, if the article is deleted, it can always be recreated in the future, with better quotes, by someone who cares about the subject. Not having seen the movie, I can't say anything about it with certainty, but it may be that there is nothing original and quotable in it at all, and this represents the best that anyone could do. BD2412 T 13:14, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have never understood the argument that an article with no quotable quotes should be kept because a different article about the subject might hypothetically be created (even if that hypothesis were not highly doubtful in the case of a total box office bomb and critical failure). We are voting on an actual article, not a hypothetical one.
 * Keep · I can agree the provided quotes are as yet trivial, and the source might not be of great notability, nor a likely source of greatly notable quotes, but to anyone who is for any reasons interested in the movie, which does have a Wikipedia article, a quotes page here could provide a quick way to determine whether or not it merits any further attention, according to their inclinations — rather than rely upon nothing but the vacuities of information arising amidst the inclinations of those quick to exclude or condemn much that is of little interest to themselves. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 08:48, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * This would be a good argument to make at a site like WikiFilmReview; but it is not really germane to Wikiquote's purpose. If the article at Wikipedia is not sufficiently informative about the nature of the film then that is where the vacuum needs to be filled, at Wikipedia. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree. People can often seek out quotations for MANY diverse reasons. I believe that a few people here have too often sought to create rules or impose habits in support of their particular vision of constraining this project, so much as possible, ONLY to such quotes as a few most active in defining what others might deem notable "for the ages". I might accept that generally as a proper goal, but I believe that FAR more time and patience are appropriate in permitting evolving considerations of many things prior to making firm assumptions deeming what others will find notable or should find notable in the future — and permit far more leeway in what interested participants can contribute for NOW, so long as it is not clear vandalism or genuine violations of NECESSARY guidelines and rules — such as consideration of copyright concerns. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 16:07, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Nevertheless, quotes should have originality to be included on a page. The phrase, "I like your badge" can be found in James Gauld, "A Bit of Practice: How Boy Beverly put his Scoutcraft to the Test", Cassell's Little Folks (1915), Volume 82, page 200. The phrase, "ugliest child I've ever seen" can be found in James Farrell, The Girl Everybody Knew (1928), page 37. There is some comedy in the film in the fact that the nearsighted character who says these things is unaware that he is actually looking at a large spider and a monkey, respectively, but these are contextual cues, not part of the quote itself. There are no other quotes on this page, and therefore there is nothing original on the page. If these two quotes are removed (as they should be), then we have a quoteless page. BD2412 T 16:21, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom: no remotely quoteworthy original material here. (The "Ugliest child I've ever seen" gag may not even have been original in the 1960's cartoon.) I really do not understand the impulse to create an article (with nine words of quotation in a page of no less than 160 words) about a film that was such an embarrassing failure the studio pulled it from theaters after only two weeks. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Some people can sometimes wish to quote "embarrassing failures" to take many things into consideration, even if the wisest are generally prone to examine and focus on what most would rightfully consider to be among the best of things, and the greatest of genuine successes. Yet, I believe it is better to permit some petty trivialities to arise and exist rather than persistently adding to them by detrimentally insisting that they be excluded — and then often be locked into insisting ones own definitions and aims are not, from broader ranges of perspective, rather petty trivialities — even when, quite often, they clearly must be. ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 16:20, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Certainly there are films that are embarrassing failures, and yet have some quotable material. I see nothing to suggest that this is one of those. BD2412 T 21:41, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete in its current form, without prejudice to it being recreated if quotable quotes actually are found from the film. ~ UDScott (talk) 21:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep (diversity is good). DanielTom (talk) 09:45, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Diversity is fine. Unoriginality, however, is of no use to a project like this. If this page is kept, I hope that you will endeavor to improve it with notable and original quotes from the source material. BD2412 T 12:27, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * This page delivers what is expected, i.e. quotes from a comedy film. (What did you expect, Shakespeare?) I want Wikiquote to be comprehensive, and so should you. I hope you will endeavor to stop deleting perfectly fine articles. ~ DanielTom (talk) 13:03, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Isn't there a difference between an original "thought" and an original "quote"? BD2412 T 13:13, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
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