Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Palindromes

--Cato 21:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Palindromes
While these may be clever, they don't strike me as being particularly memorable. — UDScott 14:31, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 15:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete . ~ UDScott 14:31, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, reluctantly, but we must ensure that this page does not get out of hand as the tongue twisters pages did in the past, with people inventing their own entries. As much as possible, these palindromes should be sourced. ~ UDScott 15:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. The list still needs to grow, but it is valuable. The page is as memorable as Tongue twisters. RikiEn 16:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. --Inesculent 20:29, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Some are very well-known and there's no need to source since anyone can check that they're palindromes. Poetlister 21:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes, some are well-known. However, others are not.  And there's nothing to stop anyone inventing a palindrome and adding it, which is contrary to the spirit of Wikiquote.  I'm minded to keep the article but only to allow entries that can be shown to have been published elsewhere.--Cato 22:25, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: This is perhaps the one situation in which I can agree that we don't need a source to verify accuracy. &#9786; However, Wikiquote doesn't collect user inventions, as Cato points out, so demanding sources maintains that other essential factor — demonstrating that the quote is notable in its own right. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete now. Now it is hard to determine if it is a collection of user inventions. --Aphaia 09:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * At least three of the current ones are famous ("Panama", the short "Adam", and "Elba"). I'm sure we can find sources for them. If no one else gets to it, I'll try to tackle it soon. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:04, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The Panama quote is by Leigh Mercer. WP has a reference at Palindromes --Ubiquity 11:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The short "Adam", and "Elba" were added by Poetlister - well done!--Cato 20:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)--Cato 20:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep a ton, tub, but not a peek. --Ubiquity 11:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * But seriously, if anyone can explain the difference to me between this and a page like English tongue twisters I will change my vote. Although I realize that the mission is refined in other pages, the very first line one encounters when approaching Wikiquote states that it is a "compendium of quotations from notable people and creative works in every language, including sources (where known)". We really need to fix that if we want pages to adhere to a stricter standard. --Ubiquity 11:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I see little difference between collecting palindromes and collecting tongue twisters. I'm not happy about either because of the potential for "innovation" and rampant sourcelessness. On the other hand, I believe many quote compendiums (compendia?) do include a select set of examples of these forms of wordplay. I like to think of Wikiquote as being a gargantuan, electronic, publically-composed version of Bartlett's Quotations, The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, and the like, which loosely means that anything one might expect to find in an impossibly large version of these works is arguably suitable for Wikiquote. But even if this is a more accurate statement of scope than our official one, it's very hard to describe this concept concisely and unambiguously. The single main-page sentence attempting to describe this scope has been a matter of some argument in the past for a number of reasons with which I won't bog down this discussion. I'm not offering a solution, just pointing out part of the challenge. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, The list hopefully will grow, and some of these are well known. - Modernist 12:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Reluctant keep. I'm no fan of theme articles, and I expect headaches over maintaining this one, too. But at least we can source some of these easily. I've done so with the famous "Adam" and "Elba" palindromes, from an 1866 Mark Twain publication available in digital form. I also added two famous Latin palindromes from the same source while I was at it. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's just as valid, I suppose, as the mnemonics pages we agreed to keep; and most of them are sourced, which the mnemonics pages will probably never be. - InvisibleSun 02:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC)