Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Punjabi proverbs

Punjabi proverbs
No context given. Please note that this is an immediate criteria for speedy delete, per WQ:SD in the delete dropdown option: "No context." Please also see problems with this page, as raised on its talk page by. Thank you, — -- Cirt (talk) 19:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 20:00, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom, above. -- Cirt (talk) 19:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep I added an intro, which probably took me less time than it took to create this VfD. I do not see the problems on its talk page as insurmountable.--Collingwood (talk) 22:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What is Sadey Akhan? Is there a publisher for this work? An author? An ISBN number? -- Cirt (talk) 22:55, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a substantial difference in meaning between incomplete or unclear citation and no context. The latter refers to "articles with insufficient information to identify the subject", as described at Speedy deletions. Even without an introduction, the article title in this case does contextualize the content reasonably clearly. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It is laughable to think that the "title" of a page, with zero context or introduction is enough "context" for a page on Wikiquote. That is silly and LAZY . -- Cirt (talk) 16:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Shouting about another contributor's supposed character flaws has no relevance here, and is strongly discouraged. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:24, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed, my apologies, I have stricken that. :) -- Cirt (talk) 07:39, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The insinuation that someone is not taking this seriously is ad hominem and unwelcome. An article without an introduction is indeed incomplete, but I was not being silly in saying that one can infer the intended subject of the article readily enough that this lack does not call for speedy deletion. ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, understood, I've stricken that. I hope that is appreciated, -- Cirt (talk) 17:05, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unidentifiable, unverifiable source. Zero Google hits apart from Wikiquote for the transliterated title. Hits for the untransliterated title do not appear to identify a reliable published work. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:40, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree with this assessment of the poor sourcing at the page. -- Cirt (talk) 16:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as is. I have nothing against a page of verifiably sourced Punjabi proverbs, but "Sadey Akhan" does not appear to exist outside of this page, and a Google search for the proverbs themselves as presented on this page turns up nothing. In short, it appears that there are no real proverbs on the page as it stands. BD2412 T 18:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, per above discussion - unless properly sourced, the page should be deleted. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:53, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * No deletion please. I have improved translation. Even if it is not satisfied, it can be improved. But deletion is not solution. If an item is not available at Google it does not mean it has no existence. I am not exaggerating but it is also true that Punjabi language has the largest collection of proverbs among languages and its absence here was very striking for me. I think English Wikiquote will be incomplete if there is absence of Punjabi proverbs. Your guidance is good, through this trial and error I am also learning and I wish to add more with the passage of time. --Khalid Mahmood (talk) 18:30, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, not everything that exists is on Google, but most notable things are. Citations need to be verifiable in the sense that a reasonably resourceful person can actually find it. Since nobody here knows what it is, it would be helpful if you would explain what Sadey Akhan (ساڈے اکھان) is and, specifically, where a copy of it can be found. Thanks. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:58, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. Sadey Akhan mean "Our Proverbs". It is a comprehensive book on Punjabi Quotes written by Professor Emirities Dr Shahbaz Malik, an authority on proverbs and Punjabi language. He wrote almost 38 books. I have an article about him, pictures and an interview, the address is of you tube interview is given below the article. Please click to see the article:. Before writing here i have pasted these proverbs in Punjabi WIkiquote and on facebook too. Translation may be an issue but I think it can be solved. Actually our Punjabi wikiquote is in incubator. I have asked other contributors to come on English Wikiquote for learning purpose oo and it is a good place for it. But except one from India who added Gurmukhi script in two proverbs no one came here. I request you to be lenient. Thank you.--Khalid Mahmood (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment It seems that Shahbaz Malik is an authority on the Punjabi language . However, I doubt that we are going to find much in English on the topic.  Can we invoke WQ:AGF and WQ:BITE?-Collingwood (talk) 21:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe that a consensus exists to delete this page as it stands. However, if any editor would like to work further on this page, I would be pleased to move it to their user space for that purpose. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:51, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It is difficult to accept the above mentioned belief. The source author and book can be find on Google. Look . In this article alone Dr Shahbaz Malik name is mentioned 17 times and the article encompasses whole language history. The source book is also mentioned in this article: Sadday Akhaan. And I have given the spellings: Sadey Akhan. But I gave actual spellings of the book (ساڈے اکھان), (I have that book and if picture is needed I am ready to provide.) I have added more proverbs. I have ameliorated the wording and ready to do more. If the page is compared with other pages, it is fairly better. Therefore I think the page should stay.--Khalid Mahmood (talk) 15:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The question at this point is not whether the page should exist, but whether there is a consensus on that question. Right now, there are four votes to delete and two votes to keep - including yours, which would normally be discounted some because you are not a long-time contributor to the project. Is there no other source for Punjabi proverbs? None that provides its own translations? A search for "Punjabi proverbs" on Google Books suggests that there are many possible sources. BD2412 T 16:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Being a native speaker of Punjabi Language, I think the translation and reference are good and the page should stay. Punjabi is rich in proverbs.--سیانف (talk) 17:35, 18 November 2012 (UTC)