Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Scent of a Woman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: keep but trim. BD2412 T 20:40, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Scent of a Woman
Much of Scent_of_a_Woman looks identical to http://www.whysanity.net/monos/scent.html as a likely copyvio. The remainder looks largely unsourced. Scent_of_a_Woman may have too many quotes, thus a possible copyvio. Deleting the page to rewrite may be necessaary. — Jusjih 18:36, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 19:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, but trim. Although the dialogue section does look like the one in the provided link, if this is the correct dialogue from the film, and both this site and that one are accurately capturing the dialogue, isn't it inevitable that they look alike? The only problem I see is that the Frank Slade individual quote section is a bit large and I would recommend to trim the page - but I respectfully disagree that the page should be scrapped and rewritten. ~ UDScott 18:41, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep : I personally think the "Limit on Quotations" standards that have developed here for films and TV are truly ridiculous and discourage worthy additions and efforts. When the film quotes sections of commercial site IMDb, which are usually greater than ours, get sued for copyright law violations, I might actually BEGIN to get worried that there might be a credible suit launched against Wikimedia for quotes here. If people see excess they would trim, I would encourage people to trim HONESTLY for quality, and be willing to make arguments as to why — and stop leaning on this corrupting crutch of LOQ-stepped fascism. In all my years here the ONLY page which I can recall slowly growing to worrisome size in regard to copyright (rather than be an OBVIOUS copyvio outright) was Monty Python and the Holy Grail. When that occurred I thought the job Aphaia did on trimming it was highly commendable, but the current state of it trimmed to current LOQ is CONTEMPTIBLE. So it goes.... ~ Kalki (talk &middot; contributions) 18:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Kalki, in reality, I don't disagree (although many might presume the contrary) that often the limits that are imposed on films are too strict. But as we have found ourselves with the current guidelines based on many discussions and not on a whim, I have done my part to trim where needed (in fact in some of the discussion I argued that there are some works that would be nearly impossible to limit to the terms set for them). I am certainly not opposed to reigniting this discussion and if there is consensus on changing our approach I will applaud this and act accordingly. For the page in question, my comments above about trimming were actually more about the quality of the offered quotes - many seem to be merely one-liners that are not particularly memorable. Having seen this film, I know there should be plenty of interesting material worth quoting outside of these. I recommended trimming to keep only those quotes that have the necessary quality to remain. ~ UDScott 19:24, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and trim. Mostly notable quotes from a notable film. I don't think the page as it stands will prompt any copyright owners to call their lawyers. I do note, however, that there is some duplication of dialogue material in the individual quotes, which can be remedied by removing the individual instances and bolding the key portions in the dialogue. BD2412 T 16:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and trim. Deletion as a last-resort for creeping accretion should be reserved for extraordinary circumstances. (Cf. Votes for deletion/Mock the Week and the revivified article suffering from the same problem. It is true that we are unlikely to be sued for copyright violation in cases like these, but Wikiquote should not indiscriminately be treated like a fansite.) ~ Ningauble 21:05, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I have trimmed it a little, but it could stand some further work to select the best bits from the lengthy speech of Col. Slade. ~ Ningauble 14:36, 28 March 2011 (UTC)