Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Syd Hielema

&mdash; RyanCross (talk ) 23:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Syd Hielema
This person does not appear to be notable enough to have a page. See also Votes_for_deletion. — UDScott 17:47, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 18:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. ~ UDScott 17:47, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. We probably should adopt a rule that limiting pages on quotes by living persons to those notable enough to merit inclusion in Wikipedia. I can't see the circumstance where we would have a page on such a person who fails to meet that bar of notability. BD2412 T 19:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * One might consider upgrading the Notability essay, but I believe this is already an unwritten policy, established in longstanding practice with the consensus of all regular contributors. (While an exception might conceivably be made in the case of a particularly famous quote from an otherwise non-notable person, it would be consistent with Wikipedia's policy on People notable only for one event to instead include the quote in an appropriate Theme article when a person is notable only for one quote.) ~ Ningauble 15:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree; however, it's frustrating for new users to be told that something is an unwritten rule, and I think it discourages people from participating. Likewise, it's helpful when explaining to people the reasons that their contributions have been deleted or curtailed to have said reasons plainly, in writing, stated as rules.  No matter how backed by community consensus I am, I always feel cabal-ish if I can't cite a Wikiquote policy.  (Which is every reason for me to try to go to work on updating policy instead of just squirming.) -Sketchmoose 18:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If it is a policy to which an exception may be made, we should spell out the policy and the circumstances under which the exception may arise. I would presume that such an exception would require the consensus of the community to go forward. Even so, I would still think that a person who is "notable only for one quote" would be notable in conformance with Wikipedia's rather relaxed notability standards. Please note, so far as the issue of this VfD discussion is concerned, I am only proposing that this policy be applied as to living people, because inclusion of their quotes may raise BLP concerns. BD2412 T 20:36, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * My perspective is that what is good policy for BLP content is good policy for all content, the difference being that it is particularly important to actually follow the policy in cases of BLP. ~ Ningauble 16:12, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I agree with all of that; I just meant that I agree with Ningauble that instead of having a page for a person with only one quote on it, the famed quote should go on an appropriate theme page, and adding that unwritten rules can be frustrating for new users unacquainted with them, as well as people trying to help those users. -Sketchmoose 14:31, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't really object to such a page, I was just parenthetically pondering how someone who is noted only for one remark might not pass the bar of notability at Wikipedia. ~ Ningauble 16:12, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Although Wikiquote is not formally designated as a policy, and the statement on Notability therein neither defines terms nor explicitly refers to the Wikipedia guideline, still, the basic principle has always seemed abundantly clear to me. I must confess, however, there is no reason to assume it is clear to everybody. Perhaps greater transparency could be achieved with some judicious rules (though the rulemaking cabal has long been inactive) but, as at Wikipedia, where the guidelines are elaborated in great detail, there are many who will not see their sense, or, as often seems to be the case, simply not want to. What I mean to say is that making the rule more explicit is not a bad idea, really, but I would expect relatively little impact on the actual practices of those who submit inappropriate content or of those who clean up after. ~ Ningauble 16:12, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Sjones23 19:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. ~ Ningauble 15:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -Sketchmoose 18:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC)