Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Tau

~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Tau
Notability unknown. And no citing sources - hardly accepts as fair use, hence possible copyright violation. Considering the poster, it could be a split from Warhammer 40,000, so could be massive quotes but in more subtle forms. So still unacceptable in our project as far as I understand. --Aphaia 05:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 06:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete --Aphaia 05:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Several issues here. Identification and notability for subject and quotes not established. Quotes are not from a verifiable, reliable source. This appears to be a catalog of comments rather than remarkable quotes. I do not think collecting this type of quote is the mission and in the scope of the project. These canned comments are far different from pithy quotes or insightful comments associated with a person. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 11:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with Warhammer 40,000. I believe the source of all these quotes is printed matter in the game itself (this is the tabletop game, not the computer game), which the author of the page probably thinks is self-evident (though I agree it's not, but that's a problem with every single game page we have). It doesn't appear to be cut&amp;paste from an on-line source (though there is a similar one here). --Ubiquity 11:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Additional Comment: It's been pointed out before that we have no template for games. Since a game that takes many hours to play and has well-defined characters, I believe the most appropriate existing templates would be those for a movie or book. If you accept that, I think pages like Tau and Warhammer 40,000 are OK in the sense that they assume the source for every quotation is the game itself, and the quotations are split up by character. I admit that there are still many other problems with lots of game pages -- inane or trivial quotes, cut&amp;paste, dumping -- but the page under discussion seems fairly well-behaved (again, see here to satisfy yourself that some editing and selection has occurred). We should probably create a games template to better indicate what the rules are. --Ubiquity 11:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A book title alone isn't really a practical source for a quote, as it requires that verifiers read the entire work to verify the quote. Films, too, should have some kind of order imposed on them, like chronological dialog with mandatory scene identification (if not timecodes!) to give the verifier at least a sporting chance to find the quote. I believe the splitting of quotes by character, even for films, is a Very Bad Idea. Even though it has obvious utility, it almost always prevents any attempt to identify specific source information, like scenes. The problem is much worse with electronic games because they have no orderly, single-threaded flow. I believe we should discourage sort-by-character quoting wherever possible, or at least insist on unambiguous scene identifications in a source line, to promote solid sourcing and practical verifiability. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, fine, I never liked sort-by-character either, but doesn't our template for films more or less demand that we do it that way? --Ubiquity 19:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a problem that has never really been addressed since the film/TV templates were established, at a time when there were few editors participating in the formatting discussions. Short version: Jeandré (aka Jeandré du Toit) and I thrashed out a dialog format, RoboAction added the overall film template and got a general discussion going, MosheZadka added the TV template, Moshe and I pushed for official adoption of individual templates, and (as I recall) everyone pretty much went along without commenting on the legacy character sections. I don't think we've ever methodically discussed the problem. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge per Ubiquity.--Poetlister 16:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge back with the Warhammer 40,000 page, where this material was taken from to create this entry. I agree with Ubiquity on the need of establishing unequivocal guidelines regarding video games, just as we have on movies or TV shows. The fact is, many games are considered classics in the Internet culture, and certain quotes taken from them can be profusely found both on and offline (like Street Fighter, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Starcraft, or Warhammer 40,000 itself, to name just a few that cross my mind right now). However, unlike highly notable fictional characters that may have an entry at our project, like ie. Gordon Gekko, it is very unlikely that a particular character of a video game satisfies the criteria on notability and relevance necessary to warrant a whole article dedicated to their lines. Phaed r i e l  - 03:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge per Ubiquity and Phaedriel.--Cato 21:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)