Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Template:Quotability

Template:Quotability
This is not a useful maintenance template and maintenance category. Inappropriate content such as material lacking Quotability should simply be removed. If none would remain on the page then the appropriate templates to use are prod or vfd-new — Ningauble (talk) 18:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This nomination includes the associated Category:Pages requiring more quotable quotes.
 * Vote closes: 19:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as nom. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep for the following reasons:
 * If the problem with a given page is that the quotes aren't quotable enough, then the solution shouldn't be to delete the page, but to improve the page by finding quotes that are even more quotable. Adding a {  {Quotability}  } notice in a given page will help direct editors to help improve it.
 * As an inclusionist (as well as an eventualist), I find it dismaying to see pages deleted instead of being improved. If and when more-quotable quotes exist than what appears in a given Wikiquote page, the solution should always be to find these more-quotable quotes and add them to the page, not to delete topics altogether.  This template helps to facilitate such improvements.  (Contrariwise, if one wishes to argue that a given page can't get any better, then that's not a reason for deleting the page, but rather for keeping it.)
 * allixpeeke (talk) 19:46, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Allixpeeke, I'm not sure I understand the rationale espoused in your second point above - If, as you have described it, a page can't get any better and yet also does not contain anything quotable, why would we want to keep it? The point of this site is to collect quotes that are quotable, not try to have a page for every topic under the sun. And if it does not appear that there will ever be anything quotable to list on a page, why not delete it? ~ UDScott (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Response: My philosophy has been that each page should contain the most quotable quotes that exist about its topic.  Naturally, some topics will have quotes pertaining to them that are more quotable than the most quotable quotes that may pertain to another topic.  For example, Jerry Maguire has "Show me the money!", "You complete me", and "You had me at hello"—all extremely memorable quotes.  If we compare the quotes in Jerry Maguire to the quotes in Freaky Friday (2003), obviously virtually everyone would agree that Jerry Maguire has the more quotable quotes—and yet that would be no justification to delete Freaky Friday.  And Freaky Friday  's probably has quotes that are more quotable than some other movie here, but that's no justification to delete said other movie, either.  This is why my approach has always been to try to find the most quotable quotes about whatever the topic at hand is, rather than comparing quotes between topics.  If someone thinks the quotes in the Freaky Friday page aren't the most quotable Freaky Friday quotes out there, then the reasonable thing to do is to edit Freaky Friday in order to incorporate said more-quotable quotes (or, if she/he does not have the time, add the {  {Quotability}  } notice to Freaky Friday).  But if someone argues that Freaky Friday should be deleted on the grounds that none of its quotes are as quotable as Jerry Maguire  's quotes, that's where I will object.  allixpeeke (talk) 02:00, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Aside: Tom Cruise's rendition of "show me the money" was quite memorable, and greatly popularized the phrase at the end of the 20th century, but it is not exactly original. Usage in exactly the same sense may be found at least as early as the beginning of the 20th century, and it was familiar in business circles for many years before exploding into pop culture. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:38, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - I don't see the value in having this. As I wrote above, if a page does not have quotable quotes, whatever quotes are on the page should be removed and/or the page deleted. ~ UDScott (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Surely the function of this template is not to suggest that the page be deleted, but to encourage a clean-up by removing dud quotes and enhance by adding better ones.--Abramsky (talk) 20:10, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think the real function of this template is to hang onto a placeholder page that contains no quotable quotes. Removing dud quotes is the first thing. Afterward, if nothing remains then we should not keep pages with no quotations on the theory that something better might eventually turn up. ~ Ningauble (talk) 12:04, 3 September 2015 (UTC)