Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Template:Vfd-template-new


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: keep. --Ferien (talk) 11:44, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Template:Vfd-template-new
Worse version of – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 16:19, 20 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete as nominator. – Ilovemydoodle (Not a sockpuppet) (talk / e-mail) 17:35, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Vote closes: 17:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - I believe this was originally created as a test anyway - and I agree that the original template is better. ~ UDScott (talk) 17:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment This was not at test page. The template was adapted by LrdChaos from the "old" Template:Vfd-template by Jeffq, which was itself adapted from Wikipedia's similar inline template. It works fine. ~ Ningauble (talk) 23:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge into vfd-new. The point of this template is that it produces a smaller banner when you transcude a page nominated for deletion, so that you don't get massive, disruptive banners in the middle of other pages. With a bit of work this functionality could be added to the existing vfd-new template though, so that when you view the page that is nominated for deletion it produces a full size banner, and when you view a page transcluding that page you get a small unobtrusive link. 192.76.8.85 18:08, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't mind if improvements can be made to the existing template - just don't need two of them. And my issue with this template is that it is too small (and hard to read IMHO). But I am all for your suggestions to improve the current one (I'm just not technically savvy enough to implement them). ~ UDScott (talk) 12:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @UDScott When nominating templates for deletion there are extra things you have to take into consideration that don't apply to other types of pages, the big one is that templates are transcluded into other places. The reason that this template is small is that it is supposed to appear unobtrusively on the pages where the template nominated for deletion is used. The other thing is that the page where the deletion banner appears isn't necessarily the page that is being nominated for deletion, if page "foo" uses template "bar" then the deletion notice that appears on page "bar" needs to point to Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Template:foo, the standard vfd-new template would assume that the link is supposed to go to Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/bar.
 * My suggestion is that this should be kept as a separate template due to the amount of template specific stuff needed, but modified. It would be relatively trivial to edit this template so that when you look at the page of the template nominated for deletion you get a full size banner, but when you look at pages where the template is used you get a small, unobtrusive note (so in the example above "template:foo" would get a full size banner, page "bar" would get a small inline note "template:foo used here has been nominated for deletion"). 192.76.8.85 17:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Other things to consider - vfd-new uses the current page name which means it doesn't link to the right place when used on templates. If you have "template:foo" used on page "bar" when you look at the template on page "bar" it will tell you that "bar" has been nominated for deletion, instead of "template:foo", and all the links in the template will lead to a votes for deletion page for the page "bar". 192.76.8.85 18:52, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep for technical reasons explained at length by 192.76.8.85 above, at least unless and until some new and improved combined functionality is implemented. See a current example of intended usage on Template:Tv.com person with many transclusions. See also brief discussion of usage at VFD tips#Non-article pages. ~ Ningauble (talk) 23:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. * Pppery * it has begun 05:05, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.