Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/The Dark Knight (film)

—LrdChaos (talk) 13:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

The Dark Knight (film)
Again, this is for a film that has not yet been released. Once it is, it will surely warrant a page here. Until then, this is a bit premature. — UDScott 00:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 01:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. ~ UDScott 00:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree that quotes from this film can not be remarkable and the film itself can not be notable until the film is released. Can re-create at that time if remarkable quotes are generated by the film. FloNight 00:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unless there is any proof of notability to date, e.g. articles in the media that reproduced the quotes, in which case the context needs to be made clear. Tyrenius 03:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 08:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, folks. Got a little overexcited. The source was a bootleg of the teaser found on Youtube, which was admittedly of poor audio quality, but definitely authentic. In the event that the information can be ratified by the teaser being released prior to the end of voting, would adding [from teaser.] to each quote used be sufficient? If not, I'll agree and vote for deletion. Radicaladz 12:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment From filmographic view,　I think the teaser and the film itself are different works, hence it is not appropriate to combine them in one article. --Aphaia 12:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, not without thanking Radicaladz for his enthusiasm and will to collaborate. However, I tend to agree with Alphaia's assessment regarding the use of the teaser as source. There's no hurry - let's wait until the film is released, and we'll be able to have a perfectly acceptable entry with properly sourced quotes. Patient you must be, young Padawan :) Regards, Phaed r i e l  - 16:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above.--Jusjih 17:23, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. A movie trailer or teaser is only an authoritative source for itself, because it's not uncommon for scenes appearing in a trailer/teaser to end up cut from the final film. —LrdChaos (talk) 18:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * All fair points. Delete.Radicaladz 21:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Radicaladz, glad to have you bring it back when the film opens, :-) FloNight 21:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. Although unreleased, there are already quotes about the film (by the actors/producers, etc.) which could be included here. We sometimes include notable quotes from movie trailers that were cut from the film itself, with the caveat that these were in fact cut scenes or lines. Also, there is a definite community of interest (I note that The Dark Knight is already number 98 in Wikipedia's top 100 most popular articles of the month). BD2412 T 19:50, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete We can always re-create when the film is out. Being in Wikipedia's top 100 suggests notability but not that there are valid quotes.--Cato 22:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * My point is that there are valid quotes (I've added two to the article) which are about the movie, about what the director and one of the stars intend to do with it. A movie article does not require quotes from the content of the film itself to be a valid entry. BD2412 T 15:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Although I nominated this page, since at the time all it had were quotes from the trailer, I think that BD2412 may have a valid point and I could see preserving the page with just the 'About' quotes for now, then adding actual quotes form the film once it is released. ~ UDScott 16:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - I think there is precedent for unreleased fictional works - Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows was actually speedy deleted four days before its release because of the unreliability of the quotes, as was Family Guy/Season 6, where the quotes could be verified easily, but the page would be unlikely to be expanded before then. And LrdChaos is right in that happening, I can specifically recall one specific example of a scene being in the trailer but cut (if not cleverly edited) from the actual thing. Will {{sup|{talk)}} 06:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. I've reformatted the "about" quotes and expanded the sources. Specific source information is not only essential for fixing frequently broken weblinks, but also, in the case of unreleased materials, even more important because of the need to identify how reliable the sources are. In this case, the blog quote doesn't meet reliability guidelines. The MTV Movies does, I believe, but the quote given isn't original — it's boilerplate actor-speak for how one approaches a conflict between a flawed protagonist and his foe. (The Bat-Man was hardly the first character in this situation even in his 1930s origin.) Therefore, I don't feel this pre-release article currently has any content that is both reliable and quoteworthy. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)