Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Ujjwal Patni


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: Delete. While there are more votes supporting keeping this article, most of them appear to be newly created accounts with a conflict of interest, and while they have tried to justify the notability, the consensus seems to be that the quotes are too trite to be kept. Most of the people supporting keeping this article support their opinion by personal belief and not policy. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 11:54, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Ujjwal Patni
PRODded for Non-notability; PROD removed. Evidence of notability added, but I consider it unconvincing. There is a WP article, but notability is contested there too.— Collingwood (talk) 07:24, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 08:00, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete as nom.--Collingwood (talk) 07:24, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep

Honest Disclosure - I worked with patni as an associate motivational trainer till 2007 in India.

As i know his books, fan following, social contrubution and significant works very closely, i am amazed to see his name in deletion list. My reasons for voting against deletion are - Multiple language indicative of notability and popularity

Ujjwal patni has written more than 6 books as per the citations, Flipkart and Amazon and published in more than 10 languages. Anybody who knows literary field understands that only the notable, popular or commercially successful authors get a chance of publishing in so many languages so notability of ujjwal patni is self explained.

Official Government award indicative of significant work

He has recieved one among the prestigious Government award of India 'pundit Sunderlal sharma literature award', that suggests that his achievements are significant enough to get recognized by the Government.

International language indicative of international presence

wp:Flipkart, the biggest online seller shows that most of his books are available in English and wp:Nepali, the language of wp:Nepal. These two languages endorse his international presence too.

Career of an author and motivational speaker indicate that he must be having own thoughts to quote and fan following

He is an author of many books on power thinking, motivation, introspection, communication skill and as a trainer he has also recieved the award Best corporate trainer of the year as per wp article. This suggests that he must be having his own fan following, reader base and thoughts to quote. If we verify that any quote is not original then we can edit, but as a author this is sufficient to be notable.

Presence on the top most TV channels

wp article tells about only two long solo interviews on DD national and Doordarshan. That are sufficient to make him notable as both are the official public broadcasters of India, however you tube show multiple TV appearence on different shows on topmost channels.

Academic notability indicative of quality

As per the wp article and more informations on Google, His books are used as reference books in personality development subject special - common to all branches for higher and specialized education institutions like National Institutes of Technology andChhattisgarh Swami Vivekanand Technical University

The wp article is contested because one contributor feels that he is not notable outside India. That debate is still going on. However i feel that if his quotes are worthy, we must allow the quotes to reach to the world.

Anay jain (talk) 18:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Keep

I feel those who can think and create can definitely quote their thoughts. I present six reasons to keep patni because as per w:Author and w:Books, he is notable with multiple evidences on google. As a self help author and thinker, his quotes may be useful to wiki readers.

Reason 1] Positive reviews of three books in national newspapers http://www.ujjwalpatni.com/Book_Reviews.html. This link shows reviews of books authored by Patni. Though this link is extracted from patni's own site but the full article images/newspaper clippings contains dates and other details supported by other evidences on web.

a] Exclusive review of Great words, Win hearts dated 11/11/2005 in The Hitavada, the largest selling leading broadsheet English daily of Central India. On reading the review, i see that reviewer has praised the book and strongly recommended it.

b] Exclusive review of patni's book Winners and Losers dated 17/08/2008 in The Hitavada, the largest selling leading broadsheet English daily of Central India.The review is positive and the reviewer concludes with this line  a good book for all of us looking for a dose of inspiration

c] Review of his latest release Power Thinking this month on 05/05/2012 in Rajasthan Patrika. This review is in hindi and extremely appreciative. The reviewer concludes with the line that the book is capable of bringing revolutionary changes in thinking process and rated it as a must read extraordinary book.

Reason 2] His books are in English and Nepali also apart from 10 Indian language. That is a worthy credential to make him notable as an author. Reason 3] He has entered his name in Guinness book of world records along with his team displaying leadership and management skills. The event was organised to pay tribute to tsunami victims. Though Guinness is not a bench mark on wiki but the special part was that the record was created by chanting sacred Bhajan. This event motivated millions of common people as this was the first Guinness world record in the tribal dominated backward state of Chhattisgarh. As per an article, see http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050919/asp/jamshedpur/story_5242939.asp

Reason 4] He recieved the official state award for literature by the hands of Chief minister of Chhattisgarh Raman Singh and Arun Jaitley, leader of opposition in Rajya Sabha. Multiple other awards like the solo national award Kamal Patra from Junior Chamber International, Best corporate trainer of India by MTC Global and Lifetime achievement award by Bhilai branch of Junior chamber international.

Reason 5] As a author and thinker, long Solo interviews on leading official public broadcaster Doordarshan and DD National as presented here and on wp. Many other channels also featured patni in exclusive talk shows as seen on you tube. Some of the quotes presented here are a part of these interviews.

Reason 6] Not as a specialized academician but as a personality development expert, his books form a part of syllabus of engineering, journalism and other institutions and so definitely deserve a place here.

We must not get affected by the situation that his notability is contested by one person on wp due to unknown reasons. Evidences are verifiable from reputed sources and Sooner or later patni will get his due credit there also.

Asia karma (talk) 18:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment/question: Where is the actual evidence that this guy is even remotely as quotable as someone like Dale Carnegie, who became a nationally recognized household name and was highly influential on the corporate training and self improvement industry? We all appreciate that marketing gurus like to make promotional appearances  and engage in publicity stunts; but what sets this guy apart from the masses of dime-a-dozen sales motivators? ~ Ningauble (talk) 16:21, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

you are right. Carnegie was a phenomenon, a guru of all gurus. But can we compare patni to Dale carnegie because both belong to different generation of thinkers. Both have their own individual identity. It would be fair to say that Carnegie's identity is established world wide and authors like Ujjwal Patni are tryng hard to become one like him. Many other authors are here on wiki who are not remotely as notable to carnegie but have a place here. Regarding the question ''what sets this guy apart from the masses of dime-a-dozen sales motivators? As per the evidences i feel that this guy believes in innovating methodologies in motivation and training, works in the direction of getting copyrights and patents for his innovations, strongly believes and acts on what he preaches. For the same, he recieved Excellent Global Trainer Badge. This is quite suggestive of quality of his work. http://www.personalityplusinternational.asia/awards_recognition.html
 *  Reply:

As per the evidences available, he started his first career as a successful dentist, undoubtedly a lucrative profession. Dime-a-dozen sales motivators are inclined towards earning money and not necessarily have a professional qualification of this standard. Then Patni left his high earning profession and changed his career to a motivational speaker just due to his inner passion for motivation and positive writing. Later he achieved national success as an author at a young age of 35 yrs and became popular enough to get published in 12 languages( 12 languages Regional, national or international is praiseworthy). All these comments suggest me that probably he is different from dozens of marketing gurus who just work for promotional appearances or publicity stunts. Now this dentist turned motivational speaker turned author is moving towards towards international success, so the people who appreciate his words and works seek a place for him in Wikiquotes. Nothing wrong in that.

Keep TRANSASIA (talk) 05:35, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Marginal Notability but positive. Quotes, specially Power Thinking ones are very effective, straight and sound original. Could be included as a contemporary thinker.

Keep    Deep research (talk) 18:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. Subject seems to have borderline notability, but this is enhanced by the field of endeavor being one that is likely to generate quoted or quotable material. BD2412 T 21:59, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. Subject seems to have borderline notability, but this is diminished by the field of endeavor being one that is likely to generate trite platitudes and shameless promotion. ~ Ningauble (talk) 13:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - while subject is notable in my opinion, there are problems, as Ningauble points out above, with the essentially promotional nature of this page, considering the subject's profession. --Tryst (talk) 13:47, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom and above comments (for dubious notability and lack of much that is more than trite observations). ~ UDScott (talk) 19:09, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Nothing is a observation or a guess as i can present verifiable evidences regarding all the details given on this deletion page. Request all of you to give a second thought.
 * Keep - I created Ujjwal Patni's page with absolute non promotional intention. I know very little about Wikiquote. My sole intention was to present his positive quotes in front of Wiki community. I tried to be genuine by putting page numbers and Book titles to avoid plagiarism issues but unfortunately i was not able to create a quality page as per your parameters. I can see that more people are inclined towards deletion. He has authored more than 6 books in 12 languages and more importantly books are on personal excellence, principles and values. He is a popular self help author but more importantly his books are a part of personality development curriculum of various prestigious higher education institutions. Such positive quotes must reach to global Wiki community. In case you feel that page is promotional. I request you to do a ruthless editing instead of going for a deletion. I would also request you to suggest me regarding presentation of this page or evidences you require to keep this page alive.

Wisdomage1950 (talk) 19:36, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
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