Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Uncle Sam


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: keep. —LrdChaos (talk) 14:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Uncle Sam
I'm not really sure what this is, but it seems like something original, as I didn't find anything in Google on searches on various parts of this. —LrdChaos (talk) 01:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 02:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete.  Cbrown1023  talk  02:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Kalki and Jeff.  Cbrown1023  talk  22:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 *  Delete Keep from Uncle Sam (comics), perhaps? Though this sounds like something from a satirical novel. Or a blog. Koweja 10:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete . ~ UDScott 15:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, now that the page has been improved. ~ UDScott 21:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry guys. I'm sorta new at this. It's from Uncle Sam, the graphic novel by Steve Darnell and Alex Ross, it's an exact quote. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sherminator132 (talk • contribs) 22:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, everyone's new sometime. Thanks to your info, I've added an adapted intro from Uncle Sam (comics), as well as some links, a category, and a cleanup tag. The cleanup message includes a link to our templates page (as in formatting, not wiki-templates) to see how quotes can be formatted. Comics present a bit of a challenge, especially for long excerpts. I'm not sure how to advise you on this, not having seen the original. As it stands, it's hard to tell if your quote is a monolog or dialog, and it does not follow English capitalization practices. (I assume the original is written in all-caps, as comics tend to be.) Can you specify exactly what issue and what page(s) this quote is from? We need sources to allow readers to verify quotes, and this might help me find a copy to review to consider how we can properly represent such a passage. Thanks. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: If Sherminator132 can get the edition from which this is taken, then this is worth keeping: DC Comics are a long established company. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 10:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: Well, The whole thing is a monologue, with himself. I'll get you all the publishing information, page numbers and whatnot later today. sherminator132
 * If you can get it before 23:00 UTC today, I can probably check this out at a comics store shortly after that. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: Here's the link to amazons page on it. Sorry that I couldn't do some more work, but i'm insanely busy right now. Good Luck! http://www.amazon.com/Uncle-Sam-Steve-Darnall/dp/1563894823/sr=8-2/qid=1171586186/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-0423686-6311252?ie=UTF8&s=books  sherminator132
 * Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, I can't find a copy of this book anywhere in my local libraries, comics stores, or booksellers. The Library of Congress doesn't have a copy, either, although it has another work by Darnall, a 2-volume 1997 work titled U.S.: Uncle Sam. The biblio record doesn't suggest whether it's an earlier edition of the desired book or a different compilation of the comic series that wouldn't have the quote we're after. I'm not sure I'll be able to get down there in the near future to find out. I would highly recommend that, if possible, you find the page(s) for this quote and cite it/them as a source. We have a tendency here to delete hard-to-verify articles that don't at least provide a single well-sourced quote to give us a reasonable hope for a proper article. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep: I do have a copy of the hardback edtion of this work, and just found it. I might try to add a few more quotes and info to the article within the next week. (I have an extensive collection of books, but not a very well organized one. I'm not having much luck at locating any of my copies of Giordano Bruno's works, which I had hoped to find for today). ~ Kalki 20:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep now. Thanks, Kalki! Could I also ask that you reformat the monolog into something a little closer to a Wikiquote style? I maintain that, like Bartlett's and other professional quote compilations, Wikiquote need not attempt to convey the exact original style of a quote to present what we care about, the idea as expressed in words. This is especially true when our medium is almost as limited as the books, as long as we hope to hew to the wiki philosophy of anyone (not just page-display experts) editing. Thus we don't use all-caps for comics (already handled here), and thus we should present the current quote at most as a set of properly mostly-uncapitalized paragraphs, if not just the sentences themselves in a single paragraph. (I think attempting to paragraph-ize a strip is essentially engaging in unsourced original research, so our best best would be to make it a single, unformatted, WQ-standard bullet.) I'd do it myself, but without the original work in front of me, I can't tell if any variances from this simple idea are reasonable based on the original presentation. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep I'm not sure how notable this is, but I can't see good reasons for deletion so would err on the side of retention.--Poetlister 22:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: I did finally get around to editing the article and am rather proud of the work I did. Definitely a Strong Keep now. ~ Kalki 21:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. - InvisibleSun 21:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


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