Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/User:Tsillaria360

EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 23:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

User:Tsillaria360
This putative user page has the form of a Wikiquote article, and is about the work of a self-published author who has been repeatedly found non-notable at Wikipedia (under multiple names ). The contributor is a cross-wiki single-purpose account, apparently engaged in self-promotion. This page should be deleted per User page as "substantial content that is unrelated to Wikiquote" and per What Wikiquote is not as "gratuitous advertising". — Ningauble (talk) 14:31, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 15:00, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete as nom. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:31, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: 1) You mention "self-promotion", and states that the material is "autobiographical", but just to be clear, is Tsillaria360 the "author" Tadaram Maradas? 2) Apparently, the book that he is trying to promote costs $50.00 on Amazon... I would let him keep the quotes from that book in his User page, if he so wishes, but he probably should remove the shameless advertising from his page (including the picture). ~ Daniel Tomé (talk) 15:24, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Re. question (1): I said "apparently" because it certainly appears so. It has been confirmed at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Tsillaria360 that the user operates a Flicker account under the name of "tadarammaradas", but real-world identity is another question. Taking the user's claims on Commons at face value, that he is the author of portraits of the subject and of covers for his self-published works, one would infer that this user is that person or is a close associate. (Taking the user's claims at less than face value would lead to rather more adverse possibilities that we don't need to go into.) Re. opinion (2): I would not. The purpose of Wikiquote user pages is "to facilitate communication among participants in the project". This user is using Wikiquote solely to host a personal web page, not participating in the project. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:52, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't mean to misquote you (I just wanted to make it clear). I agree with what you say. ~ Daniel Tomé (talk) 18:37, 9 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per above. (Tsillaria360's only contributions to Wikiquote are edits to his own user page.) ~ Daniel Tomé (talk) 18:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom and above discussion. ~ UDScott (talk) 00:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, This page does not represent advertising but merely identification of a project that is indeed notable. The issues surrounding "Notability" are questionable in term of advertising and marketing of a product. If you do not agree with this statement the provide specific examples of totally and completely NEUTRAL examples of notability that do not in any way relate to advertising and marketing. I do not see any references made in relation to price, purchasing or acquisition of a book on amazon or any other website for what user/admmin Ningauble labels as, "self promotion," If the cover is an issue than i can see a probability and a possibility that it could be misinterpreted as advertising and self promotion, but the quotations are EXACTLY what WIKIQUOTE is and is all about. Perhaps a better recommendation would be a citation cited in APA, Chicago citation, Turabian or MLA citeable formats for published works, be that self - published or otherwise. What is furthermore "Tadaram Maradas" is a penname for David Williams. This should clear up any misinterpretation and confusion of the name of the author of this publication. This page is a "keeper" as the quotations are outstanding & notable.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NotabilityTsillaria360 (talk) 08:25, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Re: Wikiquote is a free online compendium of sourced quotations from notable people and creative works in every language, translations of non-English quotes, and links to Wikipedia for further informationTsillaria360 (talk) 06:26, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * EXAMPLE: As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy.  ~ Abraham Lincoln ~  Tsillaria360 (talk) 06:31, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Editors, Please participate in this discussion, and should this Deletion vote be successful an undeletion request will be made on 15:01, 16 February 2013.Tsillaria360 (talk) 06:37, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Notabilityhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NotabilityTsillaria360 (talk) 07:42, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom and Daniel Tomé. The user-page has the appearance of a Wikiquote article, which is confusing and unacceptable. Even as a Wikiquote article, the author seem to lack notability, and the origin of the quotes is unclear. It looks like original publication. The same listing of quotes seemed to be spammed into the Talk:Main Page on 15 July 2012. -- Mdd (talk) 12:02, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 *  Keep: Re All of the quotes are original by the Author and in that fact they are notable as original & fresh. Tsillaria360 (talk) 06:22, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Duplicate vote stricken: only one vote per user please. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Most of the quotes seem to be either trite or unoriginal.--Abramsky (talk) 12:38, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 *  Keep: Re To hear a quotation on the street or in the neighborhood is one thing, but to take that same or a similar quote, organize it and publicate it is a totally different story. as one of the many quotes in this publication says, (Thought or Idea) .. That’s how the game is told, and that’s how the game is sold.Tsillaria360 (talk) 06:26, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Duplicate vote stricken: only one vote per user please. ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Editors, Please participate in this discussion, and should this Deletion vote be successful an undeletion request will be made on 15:01, 16 February 2013.Tsillaria360 (talk) 06:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment You can certainly take a quote and inscribe it with gold ink on vellum, but if it is trite or unoriginal, that won't make it any better!--Abramsky (talk) 12:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Re GoodReads AuthorTsillaria360 (talk) 01:34, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment LibraryThing AuthorTsillaria360 (talk) 01:34, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Editors, Please participate in this discussion, and should this Deletion vote be successful an undeletion request will be made on 15:01, 16 February 2013.Tsillaria360 (talk) 06:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Examples of Advertising & Sales on Amazon''Tsillaria360 (talk) 03:53, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment  ALSO: EXAMPLE of "substantial content that is unrelated to Wikiquote" and per What Wikiquote is not as "gratuitous advertising".']Tsillaria360 (talk) 03:44, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment  Amazon Author Central Tsillaria360 (talk) 03:46, 16 February 2013 (UTC)


 * 'Deleted pages can be restored, by administrators, if and only if there is support on Deletion review, or the page was speedily deleted out-of-process. If deletions are made too casually, Wikiquote may lose potentially useful text, and members of the community may feel that their work is not appreciated. Hence, the decision to permanently delete an article is not taken lightly, and the deletion process is followed. See Undeletion policy for guidance on undeletion.

If an article is repeatedly re-created by unassociated editors after being deleted, this should be seen as evidence for the need for an article. 'Administrators should always be responsible with the power that they have. If in doubt... don't delete!' Tsillaria360 (talk) 22:12, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Your userpage is not an article. There is a distinct difference. Furthermore, no, just because a page is created multiple times that does not mean that the need is there, just that multiple people want it. If the subject is notable, then they get a article; if they are not, they don't. People wanting a page does not confer notability. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 07:26, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * RE Administrators should always be responsible with the power that they have. If in doubt... don't delete! What's furthermore, I do not see any suggestions from any editors on how to improve the page and get it accepted or that is neutral of deletion. Instead what is only present is a vote for deletion which constitutes a reasonable and probable doubt that the article should be deleted. Therefore an abuse of administrator powers and priviledges are in question. Wikiquote is not a project to satisfy the interpretation and perceptions of administrators, it is a project to satisfy the need for creative quotations, and also to recognize those efforts. Deletion is not the answer to adjudicate this article / posting Tsillaria360 (talk) 05:09, 17 February 2013 (UTC)