Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Veil fetish

--Cato 21:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Veil fetish
Non-notable subject; article on Wikipedia was deleted. — Poetlister 21:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 22:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Not only was the Wikipedia article deleted, there was unanimous refusal to restore on the DRV . Poetlister 21:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep The article is well-sourced. By the way, I just added another quote by Asra Nomani published in the Slate magazine.--Inesculent 05:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: We don't need to delete this article just because Wikipedia did. (Sorry, Poetlister − I couldn't resist. &#9786; ) But I see two basic problems with this article. First, as the WP AfD Poetlister cites suggests, there's a real question of whether this topic is well-documented in reliable sources. Our current article has only a single instance of the phrase "veil fetish"; the other quotes are all making extrapolations, which we tend to discourage because it's hard to keep vaguely defined themes from getting out of hand. Second, our community's usual response to an article like this is that it seems awfully specific for a theme, even if it is well-documented. We often generalize and rename such articles, or merge them into broader topics. It is remarkable to have a new theme article with well-formatted sources for a change. But of the four sources currently providing quotes, PrintCulture and Seven Oaks seem very obscure, and while Slate and CounterPunch are probably sufficiently wiki-reliable, they have a clear political slant that makes me uncomfortable as sole reliable sources for a controversial subject. I think we need to know whether anyone other than Asran Nomani and Mikail Kahina are discussing veils as a "fetish", and if so, are there enough verifiable, memorable quotes for this theme. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with much of Jeffq's comments. It is original research to say that some of these quotes relate to veil fetish.  It is a very narrow theme.  Could we generalise it to "Clothes fetishes"?  Inesculent always produces beautifully crafted articles, but in this case I lean towards deletion.--Cato 20:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Poetlister and Jeff Q's thinking. Appears to be original research that is promoting a controversial political point of view. For these reason's, I do not think that this entry is within mission and scope of WS. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 12:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete . While the page is well-sourced, I lean toward the argument that this is too-narrow a theme to have its own page. Perhaps the quotes can be moved to a more generally themed page. ~ UDScott 14:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge, as InvisibleSun suggests. That's a better solution I think. ~ UDScott 16:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with our article on hijab. - InvisibleSun 16:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Much to be said for a merge.--Cato 22:23, 1 October 2007 (UTC)