Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Wikiquote:Make them blue


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: A complex case, one vote to delete, two votes to keep (though one of them just a vote without reason), two votes to userify, likely we can conclude the consensus to Userify.-‎ Lemonaka‎ 06:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

WQ:Make them blue
Seeking substantial discussion of this user essay, rather than speedy deletion. See my earlier deletion summary. Jaredscribe (talk) 18:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

WQ:Make them blue is an opinionated essay by a contributor (me) new to wikiquote but experienced in wikisource, wikipedia, and wikiversity, explaining in his humble opinion What wikiquote is from an "inclusionist" perspective. An admin of the "deletionist" persuasion, deleted it after nominating it for speedy deletion. He could have at least moved it to my userspace, if not even going through the process of VfD, if he really thought it was so patently useless as to warrant that. I recreated it, because w:WP:Essays are an accepted practice. He is free to write a polemical rebuttal essay if he disagrees, or he is free to ignore me. So I'm nominating my own apparently controversial essay for deletion, in hopes of having a discussion on questions of policy and culture that are substantially at issue in this dispute, questions which the deletionist wants to avoid because they directly challenge his POV. I will accept the judgement of the community on this. Jaredscribe (talk) 18:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I moved the essay to WQ:Blueify, which is a better translation of הכחיל "hichil" from hebrew, whose wikiprojects are the source for the linguistic usage/coinage on which this essay is based. Jaredscribe (talk) 19:13, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Vote closes: 19:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC).


 * "I wish that we could be like the skies..." This is a rambling fever dream of a blog post by a user who has made nearly no contributions to this project, and who clearly hasn't learned from blocks on other projects. It should be deleted, and if this user cannot contribute meaningfully then they should be blocked here as well.  G M G  talk  19:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * If the sky is the limit, and if this is the limit our collect knowledge, then you are the sky because you are determined to limit discussion. If not blue, would you prefer to be gray, or red?  (this is called a metaphor)   Yes, we should clear the "clouds" of ignorance, by producing knowledge.  That is what an w:WP:Encyclopedia is for - it is a compendium of knowledge.  Why do you dispute this?  Jaredscribe (talk) 19:17, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We can do this by making WQ:Red links into blue links. Whereas your proposition is correct,, insofar as thats what it means in most Category:Road_traffic_management systems, blue means go on most wikiprojects.  Hence my essay.
 * That was an example of a "meaninful contribution", therefore I hope you will retract your threat of blocking me from the project for having allegedly failed in that regard. As a friendly suggestion, your talents might also be put to use on wikiversity or wikisource, where I also continue to contribute meaningfully, in this and a few other languages.
 * Kind regards,
 * Jaredscribe (talk) 19:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @GreenMeansGo: I am afraid your opinion reads more like a personal attack on this new contributor rather than your opinion of the page they created. Just my $.02 + I trust I will not myself be blocked for posting this here?Ottawahitech (talk) 20:36, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I would consider looking into their cross wiki contributions, including going to projects where they don't seem to speak the language so they can post things like this in English.  G M G  talk  00:40, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Userify, not suitable for Wikiquote namespace. Lemonaka (talk) 00:26, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If the community decides to Userify I will accept that decision. However that does imply that my contribution was unconstructive, or vandalism.  Please retract this allegation.  I wrote sincererely, and in good-faith, according to my perception of how to improve the project.  Jaredscribe (talk) 02:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry but userify doesn't imply your edits are not constructive or vandalism. You are encouraged to improve that essay a little bit and resubmit. Lemonaka (talk) 02:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Re: You are encouraged to improve that essay
 * Can you suggest how it can be improved? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:10, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Ottawahitech (talk) 02:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Userfy. Fine as a userspace essay. We generally do not have a Wikipedia-like practice on Wikiquote of having essays in project space. If there is a policy proposal that can be extracted from the text, it should be proposed at the village pump for community consideration. BD2412 T 14:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * What type of pages are allowed in project space generally? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Another question re it should be proposed at the village pump for community consideration:
 * I believe this proposal was originally made on the VP? (I can no longer find it) Ottawahitech (talk) 15:19, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.