Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Zvi Rex

—LrdChaos (talk) 18:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Zvi Rex
With about 65000 Ghits without Wikipedia article, notability may be questionable. — Jusjih 11:30, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 12:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep 65000 Ghits and he's not notable? (Having an article on Wikipedia isn't everything.) Apparently the Ghits count is wrong, but I'm convinced by the arguments below.--Poetlister 12:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC) 17:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete after moving the sole quote to theme article(s), like Anti-semitism. I agree with Poetlister that a WP article isn't definitive, but it is suggestive. More problematic is that I get only 917 (not necessarily unique) Google hits for the exact phrase "Zvi Rex" (plus 4 non-WQ hits for "Rex Zvi"), and that number goes to 58 total (including Wikimedia references) when limiting the search to English pages. (The top hits of the non-exact search seem only to indicate that "zvi" and "rex" are often found somewhere on the same page, but are not connected. This is why it's usually best to do an exact search for a name.) The five hits on Google Book Search for "Zvi Rex" strongly suggest that his sole claim to fame is this quote ("Die Deutschen werden den Juden Auschwitz nie verzeihen"). Otherwise, the lack of presence in the English-speaking world of "Zvi Rex" Google citations suggests this person is not widely known and could be hard to English-source anything but this quote, and also suggests the reason for the absence of a WP article.~ Jeff Q (talk) 15:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * So can we clarify the number of ghits please? My keep vote assumed that 65000 was correct. And can anyone search using Hebrew characters?--Poetlister 16:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's the next best thing in WP. Also German WQ sourced from Time.
 * In Die Zeit. Sir Peter Ustinov Institut. Article stated as reproduced from NY Times. -- Tyrenius 02:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The search Jusjih ran was presumably just entering the name without quotes. I just now Googled  , and it returned 65,600 hits. Googling   knocks off 3,500 of those hits. After the first 20-30 hits, the results include a lot of hits for pages that have   and  , but not together. "Zvi" and "Rex" apparently are not uncommon names, so this is not surprising. The searches I ran earlier put quotes around the terms to match entire expressions (e.g.,  ). This makes a huge difference, resulting in the much lower and more relevant numbers I cited above. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Move. I agree, he's notable only for the quote, which was not made in English. Please move quote to Anti-semitism. In fact, I was just there, and noticed how badly it needs clean-up, so I may beat you to it. --Ubiquity 16:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: This quote, properly sourced, now appears on the Antisemitism page. I would change my vote to Delete except I now have a vested interest. --Ubiquity 18:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If we delete this article, entering "Zvi Rex" in the Search box should yield a link to this article. I personally don't like these kinds of redirects because they violate the principle of least astonishment (i.e., you ask for a person and get a theme without a direct link to the person's quote). On the other hand, many Wikimedians favor redirects over the two-step search for relevant articles, pointing out that "redirects are cheap". Also, I suppose we could redirect to an HTML anchor, like "Antisemitism#ZviRex". ~ Jeff Q (talk) 10:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete the article but keep the quote on Antisemitism page. The quote is now notable to English speaking part of the world, but it seems that the person is not as much so. If Zvi Rex becomes better known through broader exposure then we can revist the idea of including an article on him. FloNight 22:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete now that the quote has been transferred. - InvisibleSun 01:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Plenty of people are only notable for one quote. I can't see that the fact that it was originally in Hebrew is relevant; so was most of the Bible.--Cato 07:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Do you know for certain he said it in Hebrew? The only source I have so far is in German, and many Israelis (especially Israeli psychoanalysts) speak German, so it's credible. --Ubiquity 12:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think the original language is relevant. We have translations from all sorts of languages on here, including German.--Poetlister 16:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I said Hebrew without thinking but I don't know.--Cato 21:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment So either on this article or on Antisemitism or whatsoever page, we all agree on that this quote itself deserves to be kept? And as for Hebrew source possibility, can we wait Iddo999? He could comment the notability of this gentleman and find a Hebrew source, if exists. --Aphaia 12:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, after giving much thought to it. It certainly appears to be the only notable quote by this author; but its presence in Antisemitism topics seems to be widespread, and in fact the source of his notability. Phaed r i e l  - 16:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: There seems to be a significant interest with some of our newer editors in keeping single-quote articles like this one, which the community has routinely rejected in the past. It might be time to take up this question anew. I believe we've based the idea of requiring articles to have some hope of multiple quotes on a parallel to Wikipedia's expectation for subjects that have some hope of becoming something more than stub articles. But I suspect we may find that conventionally published quote compendiums have entries for individuals with only a single but memorable quote, and we don't even have the size restrictions they do. Perhaps we might develop some guidelines on reasonable 1-quote articles of often-quoted people? It's something to think about. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This point about single quote articles is very important and I'm putting something on Village Pump. - Poetlister 16:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, but as Jeff suggested above, I would think that a redirect to the Antisemitism page would be good. ~ UDScott 18:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep because it's a great quote and quotes-r-us, also sourced. I have no problem with either a single quote article (if the quote itself justifies it, which I think this one does) or it being merged to a larger article, though on balance I'd plump for the former - with a "see also" link. Tyrenius 02:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)