Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Blue Collar Comedy Tour


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: no consensus. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Blue Collar Comedy Tour
This page has been empty of quotes since it was created last March. Is it worth keeping for the sake of the links to the individual comedians? Antiquary 21:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Vote closes: 22:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Vote extended to 22:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC) (see explanation below). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:49, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: no consensus (4 keeps, 2 weak; 2 deletes, 1 weak). Usually I'd consider 2/3 a consensus, but there's a lack of conviction on both sides. We might want to revisit this article in a few months to see how things develop. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete . The creator of the page apparently did so strictly "for navigation purposes" and probably had no intention of adding quotes, since each individual in the group has a page of their own. But it doesn't seem to me that WQ has this kind of navigation page. I looked for other examples (for instance "Algonquin Round Table", which doesn't exist, and "The Original Kings of Comedy" which exists but has quotes too) and couldn't find any. Would changing this to a category make sense? --Ubiquity 22:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think it's reasonable that someone might want to find quotes from these guys armed only with the words "blue collar comedy tour." But searching on that term only brings up one of the four comedians. Let's keep it as a navigation page (as intended). There's no need to use it as a disambiguation page since none of the three films have WQ articles of their own. --Ubiquity 23:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment: We do have a handful of navigation-type pages. Some are more like disambiguation, like Batman, and others organize groups of articles, like Star Trek and Star Wars. For a category to take its place, so that entering "blue collar comedy tour" would bring up useful information, either this title would have to be mentioned in each article, or the user searching for it would need to include the "Category" namespace in their search preferences, I think. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 00:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: If the four comedians had BCCT quotes on their pages, I could see the point of keeping this. Since no such quotes can be found, anyone coming to this page to find quotes from BCCT will end up not getting what he was looking for.  As for keeping it because of its potential as a collection of dialogue quotes, I would argue that a page can only be kept for what it is and not for what it might possibly become.  - InvisibleSun 04:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have vote for "keep" (see below) if I'd thought the article wasn't at least acceptable in its current state, but you make good points. As it is, with 3 keeps to 2 deletes and lots of iffy-ness as I post this, I think we're still heading for a no-consensus. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. While, as Jeff said, we do have some cases of navigation-type pages, I think that the Star Wars and Star Trek pages in particular serve the important purpose of making it easier to find the particular pages; considering the use of punctuation (colons), roman numerals and the long titles, it's easy to mistype one of the long names, and we don't have redirects from every likely misspelling, not to mention those people who don't know what the full titles are, or which corresponds to which numbered film. Batman does basically the same, and also disambiguates a few things which don't have a longer name to disambiguate themselves. After looking at Blue Collar Comedy Tour, I would have no problem supporting this as a disambiguation/navigation page for pages for the three "Blue Collar Comedy Tour" films (as well as the "Blue Collar TV" series), and I would have no problem with such a page having a "See also" section with links to the individual comedians; I'm not convinced that we need to have a page like this one, but on the other hand, I'm not sure that there's any compelling reason to delete it, either. —LrdChaos (talk) 14:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment: I've extended this vote for another 7 days because I see a lack of surety in the community on this. Although we have 3 explicit deletes and no dissent, only one of these deletes is unconditional, and the rest (as well as the comments) aren't predicated on article changes, but rather community opinions, which are more questions than answers at this time. We are also missing votes and comments from many of our regulars. It seems like another week might help resolve this. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:49, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. I'm not familiar with the subject, being on the right side of the Atlantic. It seems to me that it meets the bar of notability, but yet there are no quotes. It's not clear to me whether the four comedians interact and if so, how. However, how about a category instead of a page? If the group doesn't produce dialogue, or they are quoted as discrete single contributions from dialogue, then that may be the better way to handle it. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 17:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * A category is logical, but as I mentioned above, I don't believe entering "Blue Collar Comedy Tour" in the Search box will present any results if the only instance is Category:Blue Collar Comedy Tour, unless one includes categories in one's search preferences, which few are likely to do. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 08:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. I hope we're not opening another can of worms, but I think the commonly known name, the problem with lookup using only categories, the usefulness of having bidirectional links with Blue Collar Comedy Tour, and the potential for using this article for dialog between the members makes this a reasonable index article. (I may regret this if we eventually do the same for Four Bitchin' Babes or other groups with rotating lineups of solo entertainers working together, but BCCT is a static group, at least for now.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 08:37, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, per Jeffq and other dialogue above. ~ UDScott 14:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Having seen all the issues thrashed out I've now come round to voting Weak keep. Antiquary 12:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


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