Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Bones


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: speedy keep. —LrdChaos (talk) 19:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Bones
Lots of episode section headers, but no quotes. —LrdChaos (talk) 14:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Vote closed early. Result: speedy keep. —LrdChaos (talk) 14:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete unless valid quotes are added. —LrdChaos (talk) 14:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep now that quotes have been added. I really wish people who would go through all the trouble to create the page with headers for each episode would bother to add at least a single quote at that time, though. —LrdChaos (talk) 15:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, now that I have added some quotes, links, categories, and an intro. ~ UDScott 15:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Quotes have been added. I also moved the page to Bones (TV series).  While I understand and have no issue with LrdChaos 's reason for flagging the page for deletion, it's not as if I set up the page and abandoned it.  He marked it for deletion one minute after I created it.  When adding quotes for shows, I usually add the names/numbers of episodes (if not already listed), then go to each individual episode to add quotes. That way it's easier for me to keep up with which episodes I've quoted. It's also easier for other people to add quotes if the episodes are already listed. I'm rather new to wikiquote, so is listing episodes without adding quotes for each one listed considered an editing faux pas here?  d0minique 18:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)d0minique
 * We can be a little too enthusiastic about nominating articles for deletion sometimes, but it stems from the facts that (A) we get a lot of "abandoned" articles, often from folks who seem to be more interested in getting an article created than in actually adding quotes; and (B) we have so few folks who do this maintenance work that those of us who are hard-pressed to distinguish between one-time editors and folks who are just about to make more edits. (There's no way to know this for sure, and the usual tools to find these abandoned articles don't make an editor's other contributions obvious in a quick patrol; otherwise, you might have been given the benefit of the doubt because you have been making useful edits to other articles.) Because of this, we have two usual recommendations:
 * In general, don't create an article without at least one sourced quote to establish it as a decent stub. For TV shows, "sourced" currently means identifying the episode it's in.
 * Don't create headings for all episodes for a new TV-show article. General wiki practice is to only include headings for non-empty sections. The only TV-show articles that are supposed to have full headings are ones that use custom tables of contents (because it's too difficult for editors to synchronize the headings with the TOC), and custom TOCs are supposed to be only for shows that have ended, so we know all the episodes and their order.
 * Usually, the best way to start such an article is to assemble the quotes in a text editor under their appropriate episode headings, then copy-and-paste the result to your new article. (If you started with the TV-show input box, you can copy the boilerplate text into your text editor, add your episodes and quotes, delete the boilerplate material you aren't replacing with actual information, then paste the result back into your waiting article's browser window.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the editing tips & info on the copyright issue. Next time I create an article, I'll be sure to add at least one quote at the time I post it. Also, I will be more selective about including quotes, particularly in the quote-heavy articles. It does make sense to only have headings for sections with content, and that approach works well with tv shows that have titled episodes. However, I've encountered a problem with that when editing a page for a tv show that has numbered episodes. The issue doesn't really apply to this article, so I will ask you about it on your talk page. d0minique 19:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep, although the currently populated episodes are in violation of our unofficial 3-8 quote per episode guideline to avoid copyvio. (It is not alone in this; I believe most of our TV-show articles need serious pruning.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


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