Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Extreme Championship Wrestling


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: delete. —LrdChaos (talk) 13:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Extreme Championship Wrestling
This page appears to consist almost entirely of "fan chants", which are effectively impossible to ever provide sources for. For most of them, there's more explanation than quote, especially for the inane ones like "This match rules!", "Bullshit!", "Boring", etc. etc. —LrdChaos (talk) 18:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: delete (five votes to delete, one vote to keep). —LrdChaos (talk) 13:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. —LrdChaos (talk) 18:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. ~ UDScott 18:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 19:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. 121a0012 01:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep: a page has to start somewhere, this was moved from a main wiki page. Bdve 01:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unsourced, inane quotes from fans strikes me as too Warholian for Wikiquote. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's difficult to provide attribution, stating who exactly said these things (given their very nature), but sources, where people have actually already collected and recorded them, are easier to provide. Here's one. There are three basic questions to think about relating to inclusion in Wikiquote: Were the original texts from which the quotes are excerpted widely published?  Has someone else outside of Wikiquote and independent of the original author already collected and recorded these quotations?  Are these actually quotes from, by, or about a subject? In this case, the answers to the first two are: No, there are no original published texts since these are epithets uttered by fans at sporting fixtures.  Some of these epithets have been written down and recorded, as per the above.  The sticky question is whether these are actual quotes from, by, or about a subject.  It's hard to see how "Oh my god!" and "Sit the fuck down!" are quotations that are specific to the particular subject at hand, and it doesn't seem likely that broadening the scope of the subject to a point where they were would improve matters. Uncle G 13:37, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that shouts from a crowd are no different in kind than an extemporaneous slip of the tongue by a notable person, in that neither "original" is written down beforehand, but either can be expected to be documented by a reliable publication if it's interesting. Based on this, it's completely reasonable to demand a reliable source for "famous crowd chants". Pro-Wrestling-Power.com doesn't even show up on the Alexa radar yet, but it is at least conceivable that we might find a reliable source. As far as specificity goes, a reasonable comparison might be that we sometimes cite famous non-original uses of quotes, although they should always include the original where known, or otherwise make it clear that they aren't original. But Uncle G's problem examples are the kind of unoriginal quotes we should weed out because they are just too common to be quoteworthy, even with disclaimers. The problem I have with our wrestling articles in general is that 95% of the material is just this kind of crap. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


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