Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Fame (film)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: no consensus. —LrdChaos (talk) 04:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Fame (film)
Both the film and the TV series are clearly notable, and the one quotation here could easily be properly sourced (and spelled, for that matter) as it comes directly from the lyrics to the theme song. But the page still seems too stubby to me to be worth keeping, unless it is expanded. 121a0012 03:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Vote closed. Result: no consensus (de facto keep; two votes to delete (one implicit), two votes to keep, one neutral vote). —LrdChaos (talk) 04:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless valid quotes are added. ~ UDScott 20:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as a stub for now. - InvisibleSun 00:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a short stub, but if the quote is valid (which 121a0012 suggests) then I don't see any reason to delete it, even if the page does need expanding and cleaning up. &mdash;LrdChaos 14:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Neutral. In the middle of all this maintenance work, I'm not in a mood to source and expand this article myself. 121a0012 raises an interesting issue: how do we source lyrics? Without actually stating this, we are currently using films themselves as primary sources for dialog, which is not recommended practice on WP. (Ouch.) But songs at least have a reasonable potential for proper secondary sourcing, although we can't really look to the hundreds of lyrics websites, which get their usually mutually incompatible transcriptions from volunteer transcribers. Possible reliable secondary sources: CD insert lyrics, film reviews. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: We should keep in mind that WP's policy discouraging primary sources is entirely inappropriate for WQ, where primary sources are precisely what we do want, to the greatest extent possible. However, I would agree with Jeff's suggestion to the extent that the performance of (non-extemporaneous) dialogue or music is not a primary source at all, and any individual WQ editor's transcription thereof is at best an unreliable ternary source.  There is a primary source: in this case, the written lyric.  (For films, it would obviously be the script.)  However, these are not always available to the general public (unlike, say, opera libretti), which makes them even more difficult to verify than the usual primary-source material.  (But sometimes what makes a phrase notable is a mistake made in the performance, in which case the performance is a primary source.)  This will always be a muddle for us, since we do include popular culture as a part of our remit, and much of modern pop culture will never be written down any other way.  121a0012 23:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


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