Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Groo, the Wanderer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: . Move to Groo the Wanderer. Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 10:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Groo, the Wanderer
I don't think anything here is meaningful enough for WQ, and in any case if it's worth keeping, there's not enough here to justify a page of its own. 121a0012 05:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Vote closes: 05:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Vote extended until 05:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC), to provide more time to obtain sourced quotes from cited work. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Vote closed: Result: Keep, move to Groo the Wanderer. (Two deletes, one move to Sergio Aragonés, one move to Groo the Wanderer, but Jeff Q's argument is compelling). Fys. &#147;Ta fys aym&#148;. 09:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. If there are ever enough quotes gathered, they should more properly be placed on a page for the author of the comic, rather than the character. ~ UDScott 12:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. —LrdChaos (talk) 14:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: This article has some potential, either as a standalone or as a part of a Sergio Aragonés author article, which would match the WP article. There is also a WP article on Groo the Wanderer itself (note the punctuation difference), which lists quite a substantial collection of works under this name. My local library even has a copy of Groo: The Most Intelligent Man in the World, suggesting it's fairly popular. (I might stir myself to fetch it if we look like we might keep the article, in order to provide some sourced quotes. Okay, I want some down time and might feel like reading a comic book, but if it helps Wikiquote…) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep by creating a stub page for Sergio Aragonés, placing the quotes there. - InvisibleSun 23:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've gotten my hands on 3 Groo collections, and have so far added 3 sourced quotes from two of them (2 of which aren't from Groo himself). I've also added WP headings for both Groo and Aragonés, so we could pick the appropriate one based on the results of this VfD. I wanted to post this update and present some points for consideration:
 * According to Sergio Aragonés, Aragonés is "probably best-known for his contributions to Mad magazine", so moving this article to Sergio Aragonés would make it a bit Groo-heavy, and I'm not inclined to go hunting for Mad issues with Aragonés's work.
 * That WP article also currently says that co-author Mark "Evanier's role originally was as something of a translator, as Aragones was still somewhat shaky at expressing his ideas in English. Eventually the two began collaborating on story ideas, and there have been several Groo stories in which Evanier is credited as the sole writer." Evanier jokingly alludes to Aragonés's limited English vocabulary in the introduction to Groo: The Most Intelligent Man in the World. This raises the question of who is actually being quoted. Is Evanier the actual text author, just the translator, or more of a "coplotter", as Groo the Wanderer claims? The 3 collections boldly state "by Sergio Aragonés", less boldly "wordsmith Mark Evanier". I don't think we have enough information to make a call on this.
 * Basically, I'm leaning toward either deleting this article (based on the minimal effort thus far; I don't plan to do much more work on it) or moving it to comic-book article Groo the Warrior to match WP's article and avoid the whole question of who wrote what text. I definitely recommend against keeping it as a character article, as that's not a preferred subject type here and is unnecessarily limiting for a stub, giving the potential wittiness expressed by other Groo characters than the namesake (who is now outnumbered 2-to-1 sourced quotes in his own article). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Reluctant move to Groo the Wanderer, reluctant because it means I'll feel compelled to read the remaining Groo works to add a few more properly sourced quotes. I would add that the U.S. Library of Congress and several Amazon.com titles support the Groo the Wanderer (no comma) WP spelling, while I have seen no sources supporting the comma. I deduce that, if we close with the current set of votes (2 deletes, 1 keep, 1 move), we will have "no consensus", but this should permit a sourced correction of the title by the move I'm recommending. (That's one reason I'm committing to this work, as I suspect we will have no consensus for anything else.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


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